The IJN random corner. (ex-Teasing time.)

This is a primary example of a completely useless thread.

That said

, while working on the 1917 fit of Yamashiro, and also collecting sources for the Kongo class, I started another long-term project, who can guess what is it?

Here is an 8x zoom snapshot of a random hull section.

Ooh! Pick me...pick me! I know! I know!

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Ok. Let's turn this stupid useless thread into something more interesting

Today I wanted to make an interesting comparision between IJN Battleship, focusing about their most disctintive feature:
Their pagoda towers.

We all know (pretty much) that IJN Fuso with her Frankeinstein-like tower had the highest bridge structure of the whole IJN (and pretty much of any other navy around, but that's another story..). The point is, by how much? and how the other Battleships fared in this field?

Mirror mirror on the wall.... who had the highest of them all?

The answer might be suprising for some of them, but here it is.
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I've mantained credits and adjusted the waterlines to the correct level (for Kongo and Ise) after having checked that proportions and height were correct (and they were, or it would have negated the purpose of this post), and recolored the UW hull shown to the standard IJN red if needed. Except that, I've not done other changes to Ace and Erusia's drawings. All ships have been positioned with their waterlines at the same level. All ships are shown in their 1944 fit (except Yamato as of 1945, but with no height changes over 1944).

Fuso is the (already known) winner for the highest structural point, the top of her Type-21 Radar casing, edging Nagato's by 1 feet and Yamashiro by 3
Nagato wins for the absolute highest point, her Type-21 Radar, 3 to 4 feet higher than Yamato and fuso's navigation lights.
Yamato or Nagato have the higest main gun director (depending if the sighting periscope above Yamato's one is counted or not), edging Fuso by 6 to 7 feet.
Fuso has the most levels, 13, edging Yamashiro, Ise, Nagato and Yamato, which all have 12. Kongou had "just" 10.
Surprisingly, Nagato wins out if the highest steppable deck is counted, edging fuso by 8 feet, Yamashiro by 9, Ise and Yamato by 12 and Kongou by 24.
Overall, Kongou's pagoda was pretty much outclassed by every other IJN battleship that followed her, while Yamato's is suprisingly smaller than what her massive size could have suggested.

Judging the Pagoda's height starting from the main deck instead of the waterline would have not changed things by much, with the sole exception of Yamato. Her deck was 4 full feet higher than Ise's, 5 higher than Nagato's and 8 feet than Fuso, Yamashiro and Kongo's. Ultimately it would have only made her pagoda tower look even smaller.

I hope you enjoyed this little brainstorming of mine, but i thought is might have been interesting.
Thanks for your attention, and happy new year from BB1987

Finally, someone might ultimately notice something related to the above useless message and one of the ships shown in this comparision (hint, it is one that features my "name", and that alone, in the credit line), but this too is another story.....

nice
anyways, I am going to cry in a dark corner because of the quality of my Kongo drawing compared with the later works

the freeboard of the kongo looks, in this drawing, quite very small though..... have you lowered the freeboard on all drawings for this comparision?

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acelanceloet wrote:

nice
anyways, I am going to cry in a dark corner because of the quality of my Kongo drawing compared with the later works

Fear not, Wiesman (Hiei as of 1942) and me (the other ones) will make the Kongos shine like they deserve

acelanceloet wrote:

the freeboard of the kongo looks, in this drawing, quite very small though..... have you lowered the freeboard on all drawings for this comparision?

Ise and Nagato's freeboard was lowered by two pixels to the correct level. Fuso, Yamashiro and Yamato have the correct freeboard as of 1944. The former two had been drawn by myself according to the official measurements, by browsing through the Fusos from 1915 to 1944 you'll notice that the draft increases (and freeboard decreases) with each main reconstruction. The Kongos suffered from this as well, between 1927 and 1944 their draft increased by five feet (10 pixels in SB scale!) and by 1944 the freeboard was that low (pixless more, pixel less), on Haruna in 1945, it was even worse.

Despite the thread's supossedly light-hearted title, it's actually an interesting comparison. Not only because of the "main issue under discussion" but also as a comparison of drawing styles and of the progress of the what constitutes a "vanguard of the SB style" in general.
Acelanceloet did at the time great work, now, perhaps, it looks not as stunning as most up-to date works but it didn't make it any less valuable effort. I suppose that one day "the style" will reach it's limits when it comes to detailing simply because of the limitations of scale (and of some of other basic principles) - and something tells me that this day may not be that distant actually.

eswube wrote:

I suppose that one day "the style" will reach it's limits when it comes to detailing simply because of the limitations of scale (and of some of other basic principles) - and something tells me that this day may not be that distant actually.

Personally I believe that my latest works on Taiho, Fuso and Yamashiro represents ho far I believe I can get without getting the feeling that I'm veering off from drawing ships in SB style. So i concur that the limits may not lay so far ahead.

Maybe the scale could be changed to allow more detailing?

Tempest wrote:

Maybe the scale could be changed to allow more detailing?

Well, you might concur with me that it wouldn't be Shipbucket scale anymore (2pixels=1foot). We have FD scale which works perfectly for planes, cars, sailing boats and other medium-sized objects. A scale somewhat midway between SB and FD might be the best to show details on a warship without getting too big. But still, it wouldn't be SB scale anymore.

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