Shipbucket

A thread for stupid what-ifs. NATO had a lot of ridiculous vehicles planned for the 21st century. I'm going to draw all the cool ones that aren't gay. Thread starting with PARS 3 LR equipped Panther 2 brought to you by the fine folks at Krauss-Maffei Wegmann:



Next is Wildcat, then probably Canadian Chimera/Goliath. I don't know after that probably Bo-105M/P in Heer livery with Fliegerfaust 2 or something mundane. After that I'll try to do an ORBAT of a West German mechanised infantry company with SPz KW 90.

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The Chinese people are not to be cowed by U.S. atomic blackmail. Our country has a population of 600 million and an area of 9.6 [million sq. km]. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of atom bombs. Even if the U.S. atom bombs were so powerful that, when dropped on China, they would make a hole right through the earth, or even blow it up, that would hardly mean anything to the universe as a whole, though it might be a major event for the solar system.

I lied:



KMW SPz Marder 2/KW90 MICV with 7-man dismount team equipped with G11K2 and Flecktarn.

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The Chinese people are not to be cowed by U.S. atomic blackmail. Our country has a population of 600 million and an area of 9.6 [million sq. km]. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of atom bombs. Even if the U.S. atom bombs were so powerful that, when dropped on China, they would make a hole right through the earth, or even blow it up, that would hardly mean anything to the universe as a whole, though it might be a major event for the solar system.

Why double post ?

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"knowledge is like jam, the less you have the more you spread it"

Kattsun, please change the "gay" remark to something else, such as "the ones I think are cool and not ones I am not a personal fan of" or "the ones I think are cool, and not the ones that I think suck". We try to keep things PC around here and respect others. If I have to, I can and will change it myself, it's one of my abilities as a Moderator. I am giving you the option to change it, I'd take it before a warning and changing it for you are done.

Other than that, nice work on the vehicles and troopers.

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"It is better to type nothing and be assumed an ass, than to type something and remove all doubt." - Me

It's an ironic juxtaposition of two definitions of gay: "happy" and "bad". If you cannot understand this sort of humour then why are you posting in my thread?

It's not my fault you're reading it in the overly sensitive manner typical of the types of men who put L before G in GLBT, perhaps you should consider embracing your masculinity like I have. Part of that means brushing off minor things that would offend others, and being offended for others, as the latter is often more offensive than actual insults. As a bisexual, cis-gendered male I'd prefer if you not Other me by applying your own cultural biases and presenting your intertextual dialectic as superior. I don't need your opinion on whether language is offensive to me, I can certainly decide for myself.

Besides, homophobia is gay, and this sort of double irony is common. Much like a double negative, taken in the proper context, the sentence reads "(...) draw all the cool ones that are gay", reversing the negative connotation of "gay" and "reclaiming" the word, while retaining the external appearance of the more common use.

If you have trouble understanding this relatively simple joke, then perhaps you should just avert your eyes from my future posts.
Why not? It's a new picture, it deserves a new post.

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The Chinese people are not to be cowed by U.S. atomic blackmail. Our country has a population of 600 million and an area of 9.6 [million sq. km]. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of atom bombs. Even if the U.S. atom bombs were so powerful that, when dropped on China, they would make a hole right through the earth, or even blow it up, that would hardly mean anything to the universe as a whole, though it might be a major event for the solar system.

That's your opinion but a lot of people find it offensive, disrespectful and not humourous at all, and I don't think language like that has any place on this forum. It's not your thread, it's a thread on someone elses open internet forum so it's not just your opinion on whether it's offensive that matters. Personally, I would've listed to Nighthunter's suggestion whilst it only came with a subtle warning, and I hope that the Moderators take this seriously. I'm not sure websites like the one you've linked to even really help the cause that they seek to support. You might think that you're being clever by trying to reverse the meaning of words, but it takes the edge off trying to make some sort of statement when you have to explain what you meant and that you didn't mean to be highly offensive. It's not that some us of 'don't understand your simple joke' because it's not a joke at all and is purely offensive. If you'd like to help remove homophobia in the world, a good place to start would be not to use homophobic language.

It's a shame that you've already tainted a potentially interesting thread with drawings by exceptionally poor judgement and choice of words.

Homophobia doesn't exist except in worthless countries, all the civilised parts of the world have eliminated it by giving same-sex couples the same legal rights and protections afforded to heterosexual ones, or are firmly on the path to doing so in the near future. Now it's merely a symptom of a dying generation, and occasionally breathed new life by post-modernists who, upon detecting a potential lapse in the collective victim complex due improving quality of life, legal protections, and general acceptance of ideology, take it upon themselves to speak for entire segments of society in a wholly unwarranted fashion by furthering the ideas of "patriarchy" and "oppression" when none actually exists.

I don't have to "explain what I mean" because it is self-evident when you consider the context. It's called critical thinking, and it's something the millennial generation is sorely lacking. If you can't understand a joke, then you likely never considered it in the first place. It's the very same knee jerk reaction that leads to socialism and acceptance of Islam. The fact that you (general you, not you specifically, post above me) choose to blame me rather than yourself when your own logic fails you is not my problem. It's a problem that you need to take personal responsibility for, not attempt to offload that responsibility onto others in your stead.

Perhaps you consider Louis C.K. to be the next David Icke, though, I'm not privy to your thoughts. I'm merely trying to persuade you to open your mind to other avenues not considered within your individual frame of reference.

Consider the following carefully:

1) I am GLBT.
2) I used the term "gay" ironically in two senses:
2a) Poking fun at the idea of the ridiculous looking Panther AFV being considered "queer".
2b) A juxtaposition with which I drew parallels to the term "gay" being used as a shorthand for "bad", much like "sinister" means "left".
4) Therefore, considering this blatantly obvious context (do you even go on #shipbucket IRC? I am on IRC every waking moment (and sometimes not waking)), the idea that I would be using it in such a boorish manner is inconceivable. I am clearly a) far too intelligent b) far too sexy c) far too kind, gentle, and good natured to go about using language so crudely. Inconceivable.
5) The logical conclusion therefore is that you take it in the manner intended and presented, instead of going on farcical tangent. Do I need to put "GLBT AND PROUD" in my sig for it to make sense?

Being a GLBT left-hand dominant minority White Man, I certainly feel great offense when someone uses the term "sinister" to describe Ming the Merciless. Not only are you comparing me with an Evil Villain, but he is not even white, and he is straight. Yes, this makes perfect sense, for I am so brittle and weak of constitution that my very essence crumbles before the words someone used and the alternative definitions. No, wrong. I take it in stride, use the term ironically, and laugh it off like a mature adult because I have a sense of humour that encompasses a broad range of categories. I can laugh at self-deprecating jokes just as much as any other, it makes no difference.

The fact that the forum has the gall to assume that a GLBT member should feel offended at his own joke is quite amusing, though.

Anyway this derailment has continued long enough, however, the thread should be getting back to the topic: tiny and impossibly underdetailed linearts.

I am currently drawing Wildcat. Discuss.

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The Chinese people are not to be cowed by U.S. atomic blackmail. Our country has a population of 600 million and an area of 9.6 [million sq. km]. The United States cannot annihilate the Chinese nation with its small stack of atom bombs. Even if the U.S. atom bombs were so powerful that, when dropped on China, they would make a hole right through the earth, or even blow it up, that would hardly mean anything to the universe as a whole, though it might be a major event for the solar system.

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"It is better to type nothing and be assumed an ass, than to type something and remove all doubt." - Me

I'm gay and I'm not offended *lol*

Having said that, let's move that discussion to a more suitable venue if necessary and get back to the subject