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Yes - I think she had 1924 as laid down date - completed around 1928 from the beginning - it doesn't make a big difference. I looked a lot at the Hood and the Northamptons when I made her.

@DC1 - Thanks - I am especially proud of her CoA, I am thinking of a WW2 version, mostly improved AAA(57mm M/22 replaced by twin 40/36 L60, 20mm orlerikons all over), removed seaplane and torpedoes for those who survived the frenetic battles of the south Pacific in 1942.

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This is very attractive warship, and she reminds me of a smaller Hood; in fact, with good protection she would be a very potent cruiser when deployed worldwide. I don't think the design would be premature for the mid to late 1920's, given that the Hood was then in service.

I wish more people would study what Psilander posts here - such a good contrast to some of the more 'wacko' designs

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I wish more people would study what Psilander posts here - such a good contrast to some of the more 'wacko' designs

Thanks - best feedback sofar. I try to make them as realistic as possible, to squeeze everything you like into a ship of a certain tonnage is always a fun challange.

I hope people follow Portsmouth Bills example and try to make the AU ships more realistic, it is abit of crusade of mine.

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I almost forgive you for annexing Finland, just to have this class

There are some excellent designs in this topic but the Finland is (IMHO) the most elegant and balanced. The hull appears quite large, but you've done the maths to keep a full load of just over 10,000 tons. I keep seeing this as what the British 'Counties' could have been, with (as I said above) a real flavour of the Hood (but as a true cruiser not wrongly classified). So, a Washington Treaty contender? If I may, I'd like at some time to base such a ship on the Finland's design? I would use the standard RN parts in substitution, but keep your overall hull and superstructure, apart from having to relocate the catapult and spotter plane. For the run up to WWII there would be a need to modernise, with a decent amount of aa.

Well - in this AU Finland has never been annexed - it was reunited with the motherland after 44 years of russian occupation. Sweden joined cause with the allies in 1854 in Crimean war and after a short war Finland was recaptured.

Note the CoA - the heavy cruiser Finland uses the CoA of duke Johan, duke of Finland in 16th century, king Johan III after 1567 when he took the power from his brother king Erik XIV. He used this between 1560 and 1567, before that he used just the CoA of South of Finland (the helmet) and north of Finland (the bear), when his father king Gustav I died in 1560 he added the the swedish isgina of three crowns and the gothian lion to his CoA.

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The heavy cruisers served as colonial flagships and the Wende and Finland ended up in heavy fighting in the south pacific. The Wende was lost after inflicting heavy damage to japanese cruisers in the battle of Java sea, Finland was damaged but able to retreat to first Batavia and later to Australia for repairs.

Feel free to base your design on her - but no kitbashing

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Yes, thanks for the clarification; I was being slightly ironic, but if the Scots could join with the English (I won't mention Ireland) then it could be that Finland became subsumed into the Swedish Empire. Though, would you want all those drunken Finn's

Re the cruiser, of course, I would not insult you by kitbashing; it would be more a case of using the overall concept and reinterpreting it into a new class, but inspired by your estimable design.

Breaking the line of destroyers I was inspired by the russian comment above and to draw the steam corvette Svensksund. Named after Sweden's equilant to Trafalgar - the victory over the russian archipelago fleet at Svensksund 9 july 1790.

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Svensksund,
Sweden
Steamcorvette laid down 1866
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)

Displacement:
2 188 t light; 2 454 t standard; 2 500 t normal; 2 537 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(213,25 ft / 196,85 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 16,61 ft)
(65,00 m / 60,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,06 m)

Armament:
12 - 7,87" / 200 mm 25,0 cal guns - 177,36lbs / 80,45kg shells, 150 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts, 1866 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in any sea
12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 25,0 cal guns - 38,32lbs / 17,38kg shells, 150 per gun
Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts, 1866 Model
12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in any sea
20 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 0,33lbs / 0,15kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1866 Model
5 x 2 row decuple mounts on side ends, majority forward
Weight of broadside 2 595 lbs / 1 177 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 118,11 ft / 36,00 m 8,14 ft / 2,48 m
Ends: 1,97" / 50 mm 78,71 ft / 23,99 m 8,14 ft / 2,48 m
Upper: 1,97" / 50 mm 118,11 ft / 36,00 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Hull void:
0,00" / 0 mm 0,00 ft / 0,00 m 0,00 ft / 0,00 m

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 1 shaft, 793 ihp / 592 Kw = 10,00 kts
Range 1 000nm at 5,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 83 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
176 - 229

Cost:
£0,174 million / $0,698 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 185 tons, 7,4 %
- Guns: 185 tons, 7,4 %
Armour: 499 tons, 20,0 %
- Belts: 499 tons, 20,0 %
Machinery: 213 tons, 8,5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 831 tons, 33,2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 312 tons, 12,5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 460 tons, 18,4 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons
- Hull void weights: 10 tons
- Hull above water: 50 tons
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
- Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2 661 lbs / 1 207 Kg = 17,0 x 7,9 " / 200 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,34
Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m
Roll period: 11,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,17
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,590 / 0,591
Length to Beam Ratio: 4,29 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14,03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Aft deck: 30,00 %, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
- Quarter deck: 20,00 %, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 11,81 ft / 3,60 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64,8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 68,1 %
Waterplane Area: 6 398 Square feet or 594 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 123 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 467 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 4,21
- Overall: 1,13
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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An old cruiser once again - just love those dark hulls, brass and white...

The Örnen class (The Eagle) 2nd class protected cruiser.

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Örnen,
Falken, Vråken, Gamen, Gladan, Ljusen, Slaghöken
Sweden 2nd class protected cruiser laid down 1893

Displacement:
2 231 t light; 2 303 t standard; 2 500 t normal; 2 658 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
344,49 ft / 344,49 ft x 32,81 ft x 13,12 ft (normal load)
105,00 m / 105,00 m x 10,00 m x 4,00 m

Armament:
6 - 4,72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52,72lbs / 23,91kg shells, 1893 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1893 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
2 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1893 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 246 lbs / 111 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
1 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0,79" / 20 mm 223,92 ft / 68,25 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m
Ends: 0,39" / 10 mm 120,54 ft / 36,74 m 6,89 ft / 2,10 m
Upper: 0,39" / 10 mm 223,92 ft / 68,25 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
2nd: 0,20" / 5 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0,79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 0,79" / 20 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 032 ihp / 5 246 Kw = 20,00 kts
Range 2 800nm at 10,00 kts (Bunkerage = 355 tons)

Complement:
176 - 229

Cost:
£0,263 million / $1,053 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 31 tons, 1,2 %
Armour: 220 tons, 8,8 %
- Belts: 92 tons, 3,7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
- Armament: 5 tons, 0,2 %
- Armour Deck: 119 tons, 4,8 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0,1 %
Machinery: 1 138 tons, 45,5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 838 tons, 33,5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 269 tons, 10,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 5 tons, 0,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1 170 lbs / 531 Kg = 22,2 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
Metacentric height 1,4 ft / 0,4 m
Roll period: 11,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,47
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0,590
Length to Beam Ratio: 10,50 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18,56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 17,13 ft / 5,22 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 12,99 ft / 3,96 m
- Mid (50 %): 12,99 ft / 3,96 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12,99 ft / 3,96 m
- Stern: 12,99 ft / 3,96 m
- Average freeboard: 13,32 ft / 4,06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162,1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115,1 %
Waterplane Area: 8 189 Square feet or 761 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 56 lbs/sq ft or 272 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,82
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Lovely little cruiser there. I could imagine some pirates hangin from her mast...

But "Gamen"....... I´d rather have two different type of eagles " Havsörnen" and " Kungsörnen"

This is a lovely cruiser. Well done.

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