Moderator: Community Manager
[Post Reply] [*]  Page 16 of 17  [ 165 posts ]  Go to page « 113 14 15 16 17 »
Author Message
eswube
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 12th, 2012, 7:03 pm
Offline
Posts: 10696
Joined: June 15th, 2011, 8:31 am
Unless the tail is box-like like on Vickers Vimy (but doesn't look like that, rather H-shaped), I'd say it's still not enough.
For a H-shaped tail it's span should be increased roughly by half IMHO. and length (along the length axis, that is) to equal vertical stabilizers.


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
APDAF
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 13th, 2012, 8:31 pm
Offline
Posts: 1508
Joined: June 3rd, 2011, 10:42 am
Like it is now?


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Trojan
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 13th, 2012, 10:53 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 1216
Joined: March 26th, 2012, 4:29 am
Location: Big House
I would say that a carrier conversion personally would be very difficult considering how big that plane is compared to the average carrier of its time period. Plus the fact that it would be very difficult to stow such an aircraft below decks ( huge elevators would be needed) the take off and landing performance probably are not good enough for a carrier deck. Also it was never done IRL

_________________
Projects:
Zealandia AU
John Company AU
References and feedback is always welcome!


Last edited by Trojan on December 13th, 2012, 11:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Thiel
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 13th, 2012, 11:07 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 5376
Joined: July 27th, 2010, 3:02 am
Location: Aalborg, Denmark
Nor does it make any sense.

_________________
“Close” only counts with horseshoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons.
That which does not kill me has made a grave tactical error

Worklist

Source Materiel is always welcome.


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Raxar
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 14th, 2012, 1:33 am
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 1407
Joined: August 31st, 2011, 4:49 pm
Location: Michigan
The main problem is, like Trojan said, is that a bomber is too large to fit effectively on a carrier. It's going to be cumbersome to launch, land, store, and maintain. The only time bombers were ever used off and aircraft carrier was the Doolittle raid, and those planes were never intended to make it back. Furthermore, they had to be carried across the Pacific Ocean on Hornet's flight deck, not in the hangars, (elevators are too small and you can't fold the wings) which didn't allow for the use of her fighters. (Enterprise had to come along to provide aircover.) Furthermore, if you look at pictures of the planes taking off, you can see that some of the first ones barely made it off the deck. So, no, as Thiel said, it makes no sense to try and operate bombers off a carrier. In fact, these restrictions actually caused the development of dive and torpedo bombers, as well as other carrier-borne aircraft.

_________________
Worklist

"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." ~Ludwig Wittgenstein


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
TimothyC
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 14th, 2012, 3:01 am
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 3765
Joined: July 27th, 2010, 3:06 am
Contact: Website
Actually, there is one other time bombers were flown off of carriers. Starting in the late 1940s the USN flew P2Vs off of carriers in an effort to get a nuclear mission for said carriers. That said, they were clumsy, and suffered many of the same restrictions that were in effect for the Doolittle raid. They were replaced in service by the AJ Salvage.

_________________
𝐌𝐀𝐓𝐇𝐍𝐄𝐓- 𝑻𝒐 𝑪𝒐𝒈𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒕𝒆 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒐 𝑺𝒐𝒍𝒗𝒆


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
APDAF
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 14th, 2012, 8:00 am
Offline
Posts: 1508
Joined: June 3rd, 2011, 10:42 am
Raxar wrote:
The main problem is, like Trojan said, is that a bomber is too large to fit effectively on a carrier. It's going to be cumbersome to launch, land, store, and maintain. The only time bombers were ever used off and aircraft carrier was the Doolittle raid, and those planes were never intended to make it back. Furthermore, they had to be carried across the Pacific Ocean on Hornet's flight deck, not in the hangars, (elevators are too small and you can't fold the wings) which didn't allow for the use of her fighters. (Enterprise had to come along to provide aircover.) Furthermore, if you look at pictures of the planes taking off, you can see that some of the first ones barely made it off the deck. So, no, as Thiel said, it makes no sense to try and operate bombers off a carrier. In fact, these restrictions actually caused the development of dive and torpedo bombers, as well as other carrier-borne aircraft.
There is quite a bit of a difference between this and a B-25 Mitchell, mainly the fact that it's a biplane which has more lift, and that the wings are made of wood and canvas and should be easy to clip or adding hinges for storage and you could always make the nose stubbier.


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
KHT
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 14th, 2012, 9:08 am
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 1396
Joined: November 19th, 2011, 12:49 pm
Raxar wrote:
The main problem is, like Trojan said, is that a bomber is too large to fit effectively on a carrier. It's going to be cumbersome to launch, land, store, and maintain. The only time bombers were ever used off and aircraft carrier was the Doolittle raid, and those planes were never intended to make it back. Furthermore, they had to be carried across the Pacific Ocean on Hornet's flight deck, not in the hangars,
APDAF, note that what Raxar was talking about wasn't only the fact that it's very messy to launch full-sized bombers off CVs, but the fact that they are usually to large to store effectively on CVs. They require much larger space than regular fighter-sized planes, not to mention larger elevators. So, if you don't want to carry your bombers on deck, you'd have to specialy build a CV for the purpose, something highly unlikely, considering the Brittanian admirality and emperor doesn't like change(your own words, mind you).


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
eswube
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 14th, 2012, 10:39 am
Offline
Posts: 10696
Joined: June 15th, 2011, 8:31 am
The only twin-engined carrier-borne bomber of the era roughly comparable with Your VK-3 was Douglas T2D, which was just little more than half as large as Your VK-3 (wingspan of 17,37m and length of 12,80m to Yours VK-3s current 30,94m x 20,27m).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_T2D

Too many technical issues to overcome and besides I'm not sure if that would be even practical.
So my advice is: forget about it - stick to smaller carrier-borne planes.


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
TimothyC
Post subject: Re: Britannian AircraftPosted: December 14th, 2012, 2:11 pm
Offline
User avatar
Posts: 3765
Joined: July 27th, 2010, 3:06 am
Contact: Website
KHT wrote:
APDAF, note that what Raxar was talking about wasn't only the fact that it's very messy to launch full-sized bombers off CVs, but the fact that they are usually to large to store effectively on CVs. They require much larger space than regular fighter-sized planes, not to mention larger elevators. So, if you don't want to carry your bombers on deck, you'd have to specialy build a CV for the purpose, something highly unlikely, considering the Brittanian admirality and emperor doesn't like change(your own words, mind you).
To add to this, the largest of the WW2 carriers - the Midway Class - displaced around 60k tons, while CVA-58 (which was designed for bomber ops) would have displaced ~80k tons, and CVA-59 displaced ~75k tons at launch [All numbers are approximate full load numbers from Friedman's US Carriers].

_________________
𝐌𝐀𝐓𝐇𝐍𝐄𝐓- 𝑻𝒐 𝑪𝒐𝒈𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒕𝒆 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒐 𝑺𝒐𝒍𝒗𝒆


Top
[Profile] [Quote]
Display: Sort by: Direction:
[Post Reply]  Page 16 of 17  [ 165 posts ]  Return to “Beginners Only” | Go to page « 113 14 15 16 17 »

Jump to: 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests


The team | Delete all board cookies | All times are UTC


cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited
[ GZIP: Off ]