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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 10:22 pm
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Oh, I will fix them later.
Any other issues other than the ones mentioned?


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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 10:25 pm
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quite a few, but you should get the base fixed first.

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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 10:34 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
you should get the base fixed first.
What is wrong with the base?


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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 10:42 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
Yes, the funnels are way, way too small, or rather too short! There's simply not enough draught in them! Your bridge for the time period is, in contrast, too large. Check period references and you'll see what I'm talking about. That's, however, a simple fix. Also, what the heck is that see-through (?) thingy, that looks like a rectangular box, approx. in the middle of your bridge? If it's supposed to be a covered bridge wing, I can tell you that that's not how you should draw it. Again, please check your references on that one!
and the funnels, the armoured belt looks oversized, why do you have that weird painted line on the bow again (all your ships seem to have it, even when not from the same nations, and no real life ones) , I have some doubts about the middle props fitting in that position, masts look off, and where is your conning tower? and those secondary guns, are they all mounted in line, unable to fire forward and aft?

and then we have the detailing, like incorrect rigging, bridge shape, stern gallery without windows, extremely messy lines at the bow and stern underwater hull, oversized bilge keel...... but that is all stuff for later fixing, first get the above done

I am sorry, but I will not wait until 'you do it later, first I fix X and Y' as experience learns me that you never do the stuff you do 'later'

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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 10:54 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
Why do you have that weird painted line on the bow again (all your ships seem to have it, even when not from the same nations, and no real life ones)
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What line? There are many lines on the bow.


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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 10:57 pm
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the line in this shape (ignore the dots)

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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 11:01 pm
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It is bow amour the Nassau and Helgoland class's have if you look closely.


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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 11:07 pm
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which is no reason why you have it on japanese ships, destroyers and whatever else you have drawn. also, it is not half as big on the nassau as it is here, making these ships AGAIN horribly overweight.

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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 11:19 pm
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This is not a 100% Japanese ship, it is more German than Japanese and the fact that a German subsidiary of Vickers designed it also makes it a Britannian design as she is a sub-class of a small dreadnought.


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Post subject: Re: Fuji class battlecruiesrPosted: November 30th, 2012, 11:34 pm
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What I have to say on this:
APDAF, start drawing your own hulls. Abusing the poor hull of the Agamemnon will not make you more skillful or give any insight on how to build ships. And this is what you need right now.

And start taking our advice seriously. Yes, I know there is nothing in the forum rules that says you have to follow every advice you're given, and that you have to explain why you don't do so, but as time pass, people will become more and more unwilling to help you, since you never accept their help, at the same time pleading for it.
I do not say this to be mean, I say it becouse the entire SB forum wants you to become better at what you're trying to do. You've shown that you're not a very capable designer, and has at best got a loose grip on how shipbuilding and designing works. If you would be willing to listen to what we have to say, this would well change. Three or four years ago, when I became interested in modern naval warfare, I had no idea what was the differance between a rifle and a radar. I'm still no pro, but research, inspiration from RL designs, and most importantly, willingness to listen to advice has made me at least a relatively competent hobby ship-designer. And I still regularly have problems with some kinds of designs, but since I listen to advice, I'm improving on it. The same would go for you, if you started listening to what we're trying to tell you.
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