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Erik_t: ??? - surely you are forgetting the Dutch Tromps and the Italian Audaces? I think ace is fully in his right to fit the Sea Sparrow the way he has!

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and of course the dutch L frigates, which were derived from the S frigates....
but, in this setup, the launcher forward would be primarily for the harpoon. I even considered to put an mk 22 over there.
but well... the real reason I did this like this is that the goalkeeper wouldn't fit, and I needed an system back there. it was this or leave it empty

I will try to fix something better with the 'what if the dutch joined in early' concept. thanks for the help on this

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Outside of what you've done above I don't think the Dutch would've had much say no matter how early they entered the program.
Think about it. The RNLN would have build, at most, four units. The US on the other hand built 57 units.
The US would gain virtually nothing by allowing the Dutch (Or anyone else) to influence the design. The USN was looking for a low-cost unit, the Dutch were looking for a replacement for their cruisers and as a result had much higher requirements. Any influence they might have would drive up the price with disastrous results for the USN.

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replacement for the destroyers, but you are right. what I meant was that if they joined early, they could make something else then 'just an copy with own systems' but swap for example masts, weapon systems etc. the base would be the same though. what you say makes sense though, and this is one reason why this concept was rejected of course.

also, the OHP didn't entirely fit the requirement. with asroc and all it might have been closer, but the 2 important no's are the gun position and the single screw. both basic characteristics of the perry.

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Thiel is quite correct about that point, though he misses one crucial fact: the Dutch OHPs would've in all likelihood have been built at home yards; not in the USA, unlike the CFA-class destroyers ordered by the German Federal Republic and which were built in the US, with minimal German accomodations. Thus, the Dutch may have been able to actually impose more of their own requirements on the design than would otherwise have been possible. In fact, this is what happened with the Spanish Baleares-class, which was armed - uniquely with the Standard SM1 system, or, to a lesser extent the Spanish OHPs.

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bezo, you hit the mark. indeed, this would be an similar design as the dutch leander had: based on the lines and systems of the perry but slightly different because of the different requirements.

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Thank you, friend! Just do me one eenie teenie favor: change out that contemptible standard prop of the design to something that can actually work as a single shaft prop! Otherwise I like your design!

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You're right, of course; some of the European nations were quite infatuated with the idea of using precious centerline space and displacement to duplicate Standard's capability with something so kludgy and second-rate as Sea Sparrow. Only God Himself knows why.

and here we go. from the perry hull, an ship even more capable then the real S-frigate, because the MK29 is replaced by an MK 26, with the possibility to fire SM-1 and ASROC. the sensor fit has become that of the L frigates to support the SM-1 to it's fullest. I also used dutch style fixed torpedo tubes and 'dutchified' the bridge and funnel a bit.

I think this is an good representation of what an dutch perry might have looked. I have doubts if they would have chosen the option to fit the mk 26, but it is an possibility if the USN gave that option. (my original idea was to put an mk 141 and an mk 29 on board....... but if that option was never given.....)

*note: another option is that they would have retained the mk13 instead of the mk 26. they would loose the possibility to fire ASROC by that, and some reloading speed, but other then that there is nothing lost really. as the dutch never equipped ASROC anyways, there is quite a big chance that the mk 26 would not be used. I put it on board though, to really explore the possibilities.....

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Mk 26 won't fit there. I have my doubts about Goalkeeper too.