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acelanceloet
Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 3:45 pm
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well, that is one very important detail on which to distinguish the ships and their weapons, so I suppose you should add them! also, IIRC, there should be things sticking out the sides of the back of at least some of the turrets, which were part of the fire control system or at least were used to aim the guns. things like these are exactly what you should take from pictures, so keep up the good work ;)

EDIT: also, I think those bumbs are because the diameter of the barbette is in this case larger then the width of the turrets.

and last but not least, tone down the width of the 'rounded' shading on the barbettes a bit, they look octangular now....

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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 3:50 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
well, that is one very important detail on which to distinguish the ships and their weapons, so I suppose you should add them! also, IIRC, there should be things sticking out the sides of the back of at least some of the turrets, which were part of the fire control system or at least were used to aim the guns. things like these are exactly what you should take from pictures, so keep up the good work ;)

EDIT: also, I think those bumbs are because the diameter of the barbette is in this case larger then the width of the turrets.

and last but not least, tone down the width of the 'rounded' shading on the barbettes a bit, they look octangular now....
Will do.

This is what I am talking about:
Without the extensions:
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With extensions:
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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 3:54 pm
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I highly doubt they were that straight, the extensions were rounded if I see it correctly, so I doubt you can just corner that with straight lines.....

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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 4:06 pm
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Won`t shading give the illusion of a rounded extension?

Edit: I have added rounded edges.


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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 4:38 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
The New York class like the previous ships had completely straigth turrets
False.
Check out this picture of Texas.
Also there were turret mounted rangefinders (not to mention fly-off platforms for planes and painted scale): here and here.

As for rarity of photographs, it might be true in some cases but not when we are talking about capital ships of one of the largest (at the time) navies in the world.
There are whole web-sites devoted to some of the ships. http://www.navsource.org/ has tons of good pictures. So "not enough photos" is not an excuse.

Hood is right, your drawings are OK for SB. Although, quite frankly, I'd prefer these ships drawn by someone who actually cares about them. No offense :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 4:45 pm
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I have almost 600 photos. More than enough. Only a handful of them are over 700 pixels large. The fly off platform is not deployed at all times as it rendered the guns useless.

Arizona in 1916:
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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 7:48 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
Arizona in 1916:
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Arizona by 1941 already draw (drawing need improvement ?)
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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 7:58 pm
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Well for one thing the camouflage is entirely incorrect. There was never a USN camouflage measure that had white above the funnel tops with 5-N Navy Blue on everything below it. Arizona was camouflaged in the Measure 1 (Dark Gray) system during the period pictured. http://www.shipcamouflage.com/measure_1.htm

Also, as much as I hate to rag on alvama, this is an alvama drawing of a real ship that isn't Dutch or Soviet - so it probably needs some checking. ;)

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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 8:09 pm
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This measure?
http://www.google.no/imgres?hl=no&biw=1 ... =125&ty=57


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Post subject: Re: American WWI BattletubsPosted: April 24th, 2013, 8:31 pm
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Yes, that's the Dark Gray System as quite a few USN combatants were camouflaged in prior to the war. That would be the correct one for Arizona as Alvama drew it.

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