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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 7th, 2013, 7:38 pm
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Great drawing! But why on earth do you want a supersonic anti-sub aircraft?

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 7th, 2013, 7:45 pm
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darthpanda wrote:
Great drawing! But why on earth do you want a supersonic anti-sub aircraft?
Great drawings indeed. The super-sonic anti-sub aircraft is there because they felt they could do it?
Seriously though, the idea was to have the aircraft pursue submarines contacts as quickly as possible. Remember the SOSUS grid (the passive sonars on the sea-bed in the GIUK-gap), and so when a submarine is detected, an aircraft is almost immediately on the scene to take action. Using a sub-sonic aircraft will take a longer time for the aircraft to reach the location of said contact, by which time the sub may be gone or evaded.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 7th, 2013, 8:03 pm
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Not really sure what to say to this latest piece of awesome. This whole thread has just been ZOMG!

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 8th, 2013, 7:02 am
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Hawker Siddeley HS.1101: Do you have a link about this?It is the most awesome Maritime Patrol Aircraft ever appeared.


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 8th, 2013, 11:47 pm
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Daumann interested about acquiring a licence to produce this fine aircraft for the Imperial Air Force.

Nice work.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 13th, 2013, 4:00 pm
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The airliner version of the HS.1101 in the early colours of British Airways.

This was the commercial version of the MPA aircraft posted earlier. There are a few changes, notably the dorsal engines are slightly different and both these pods and the ventral engine pods have longer intakes. The top of the tail is slightly different too . The cockpit windows were redesigned too. This Mach 1.15 airliner has the same VG wing, it could carry 160 passengers (carried 4,5 and 6 abreast in the waisted fuselage) over 2,500 nm, all-up weight was 269,000lbs. It was designed to cruise at 40,000ft with no shock wave reaching the ground allowing unrestricted supersonic flights. I have no idea what the engines were, possibly Olympus or perhaps another type of reheated turbofan (maybe Spey?), almost certainly though a Rolls-Royce design by this date (early-mid 1960s). With the VG wing this would have been a complex type but the relatively low supersonic speed and no boom might have been selling points for economics when airlines were still quite iffy about supersonic flight and the costs. But in the real world I don't think Mach 1.15 would have saved that much over the total time of the flight (block speed) once the climb and let-down are completed, to make it worthwhile in the extra fuel and weight of the VG wing and the small cabin and passenger load. I'm assuming the MPA version was meant for burst speed rather than supersonic cruise. Also, the high dorsal engines would have been awkward to service without special gantries etc. Even so it was a looker!

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 13th, 2013, 4:31 pm
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Indeed a looker. One of the most eye catching civilian aircraft in FD scale.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 13th, 2013, 5:22 pm
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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 14th, 2013, 12:02 am
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They were working on a half-turbofan type of engine based on the Olympus originally designed for a Concorde extended production run - I'd be willing to bet it would've been the same engine on this thing, though Speys are probably an equal possibility. And yeah, Mach 1.5 is a bit slow for a supercruising airliner. I do agree she's quite a looker regardless though!


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: April 14th, 2013, 7:41 am
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Awesome! :o


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