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Post subject: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 20th, 2013, 3:29 pm
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I suppose you have all seen the new single sea dart launcher I asked Hood to work on. well, this was the reason why :P

in 1975, the Tromp was commissioned. this ship, and the second of her class, the De Ruyter, effectively replaced the Zeven provincien class cruisers as flagships of the fleet and as air defence ships (as the Zeven Provincien was upgraded with an Mk 10 GMLS)
these vessels had followed a long design track, originally starting aside with the british navy, who worked on the T82 class.
an comparision between the type 82 and the fregat 1964 shows that they would have had much in common:

type 82
4500 tons
sea dart twin
4,5in
Ikara, british
Limbo
SPS-01
184 sonar
390 crew

fregat 1964
4500 tons
sea dart single
french 10cm
Ikara, australian
Limbo
SPS-01
mod CWE-610 sonar
345 crew

these specifications are nearly all I started with to make this drawing. thus, a lot is made up, but to my understanding, this is close to how the real vessel would look.
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all details and exact positions of equipment is not to be taken as reference though, this is in a way nothing more then an artist impression of an educated guess of the above specs. I hope I will find better data once, and make her the way she really was going to look, but it is unknown to me if any plans for that exist, or are even made for that matter.

for comparision, the specifications:
L*B*T: 140m*14,8m*4,75
Cb: 0,485
displacement:4500 tons
engines: 2 Rolls Royce Tyne, 2 Rolls Royce Olympus
propulsion type: COGOG
cruising speed: 17 knots
top speed: 30
range at cruising speed:4000 nm
crew: 345+ flag staff
weapons are as listed above.

I hope you all like her, and please comment ;)

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 20th, 2013, 4:33 pm
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Is that a single-arm launcher?


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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 20th, 2013, 4:37 pm
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yes, it is.
EDIT: (as was listed, I believe twice, in the text)

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 20th, 2013, 4:53 pm
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Very interesting and good job!


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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 20th, 2013, 9:46 pm
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Interesting ships, these are a sort of a Dutch interpretation of the British Type 82 class (which were designed at the same time, and using practically the same weapons).
Beautiful work J."Ace" Scholtens

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 21st, 2013, 8:50 am
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Looks good Ace, a very good artists impression, probably close enough to be realistic to the real intention. The parallels to the Type 82 are clear, if only some kind of dual-nation design had been possible then I think both navies would have benefited. As it was the RN got a single experimental ship and the Dutch had to wait longer to get the Tromps.

The only, very slight, nitpick is that the Sea Dart launcher would look better re-coloured to match the rest of the ship as its still in RN gray at the moment! ;)

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 21st, 2013, 8:57 am
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hm. I will do something about that. expect an update :P EDIT: how about this? ;)
I have only 2 points I am wondering/not happy with:
the type 909 director and the bridge might have been swapped
I see no place for any gun director other then just the 909.

other then that, I believe I am indeed quite close to the set up (at least, if sea dart was put forward, and I saw no way to have ikara forward without having to put the hangar under the superstructure) I wonder how the type 82 had it set up back in 1964, when it still was supposed to be an 4500 ton ship like this :P

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 21st, 2013, 9:32 am
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A minor nitpick, but given the timeframe the 100mm gun should have both sighting hoods on.

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 21st, 2013, 9:39 am
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Thiel wrote:
A minor nitpick, but given the timeframe the 100mm gun should have both sighting hoods on.
is there an drawing of that (ow and, now we are talking about that, do you have any refs for the belowdecks of this gun?)

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Post subject: Re: Fregat 1964: the Seadart Tromp ClassPosted: March 21st, 2013, 11:16 am
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Take the one on the right and flip it around.
I think I've posted a picture of the below decks parts before. Just a source image though. Never did get around to draw it in SB though.

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