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Yeah, mine was an AU one too!

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Same! Well, its taking more time than I thought; I'm currently stuck on the aft mast base, trying to get a side look that I can copy, but I'm nearly there. One problem, LP want more p.c. access to do her musical move's cd's

this is an belowdeck of the dutch type 4.5''/45 QF Mark V. I suppose it is the same as the british type, but as the turret shape was a bit different from the drawing in the RN sheet..... I seek the advice and knowledge of the grey funnel faction here
could you tell me if it is indeed exactly the same, and if it is, if the turret is correct like this?

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The mounting on the Dutch Van Speijk was indeed the RP 41 Mark VI, the same as used on all the completed British ships with the 4.5"/45 QF Mk V. IIRC, the changes from the British Leander were kept minimal (and mostly in electronics) to speed construction time.

As for whether the exact details of the turret are correct, that I could not tell you - different equipment has been fitted atop the turret over the various ships' lives.

The original basis of the current RN Mk V part was Unknown's work but rescaled and never re-drawn.
Looking at several close-up photos I agree that Ace's details are superior, the turret base hardly shows on most photos but certainly early mounts had that kind of base and I suspect all did. The shape of the actual turret is also much more realistic. I cannot at this stage vouch for the positions of the small panels along the bottom, the port-side has a different layout of inspection panels and I suspect not all mounts have the same panel layout given the photo evidence. However, I'm still checking that. I am certain though this new mount will replace the current part on the sheet.

Ace, perhaps you could give the Mk8 GRP dome mount a once-over too some time, that too is an updated Unknown part and although altered since may still be inaccurate (the barrel as always bugged me).

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the size might need to be rechecked then though, as I supposed the mount on the sheet was the correct size and have scaled from that.
I have references somewhere for the Mk 8, IIRC. I'll see what I can do, references are of course always welcome, as I don't like to work from a single source if it can be helped.

for the Mk V, those small panels might need work, I indeed copied them from the earlier drawing, as pics showed no consistent line in that. if you have good sources for that, you may give them to me and I will look at it to make it work, or you might do yourself, if you want, of course I will check the size myself if I can (should have done that in advance) unless you are faster, of course

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and those were some very bad words to come from my mouth just now. following the data on navweaps, the gun length is 10 pixels too long, making the entire drawing 25% oversized. still checking though, navweaps did not have data of the entire turret and an different way of measuring might be the cause of this. still, I fear the worst.........

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I can't remember how much I resized it for the County Class drawings, I know I made it smaller and it seemed a far better fit when I pasted onto a resized plan. 10 pixels sounds a large error and when I experimented by resizing the current mount by 10 pix overall, barrel alone and on turret length alone and the final results seem too small, smaller than other 4.5in and 4.7in mounts which doesn't seem right as the Mk V is a chunky bit of kit. BUT, comparing the County Class drawing and the original plan I worked from I think there is possibly a ~5 pixel error in both height and barrel length, possibly the turret length itself needs trimming too.

I'll see if I can dig up anything too on correct dimensions, the panels may pose some problems if we both agree there is no standard layout (which seems odd) but I'm sure we'll solve that too eventually. Right now proper scale seems the prime concern, and the implications that might have on 90% of the other 4.5 and 4.7in mounts on the sheet....

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I have scaled from the gun itself in the reference drawing: inaccuracy's or misinterpretations what exactly is the gun length might cause these problems.
the only reference I have for the size is ship lineart from which I can scale it, or maybe pictures.
btw, the barrel length matched almost perfectly with the part of the gun outside of the turret.... can this be correct, or should part of the barrel inside the turret?

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Don't forget that the two gun tubes were well recessed into the turret, so from a side view there is still a bit of length hidden but still outside the turret. its interesting to reach a definitive size with this one as I often find that guns can appear overscaled when trying to place them onto an alreday scaled drawing of an actual ship. A case in point being the multiple 0.5 gun mount used in the RN (and a very poor gun system). I will try redrawing that asap and post it here.