Shipbucket

Very accurate
http://content.foto.mail.ru/bk/battlesh ... /s-202.png
The vertical lines on the hull means 2 things - 1 frames distance - in Btretagnes it was 1 metre. 2. The armour plating.
By the way the 1944 view is VERY accurate. I tried to find mistakes - hav not managed.

To the topic-runner
Please check 2 guns battery near the second funnel for the beginning.

Here`s the sources I have used, mostly:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93982636/Shipb ... etagne.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93982636/Shipb ... tagne2.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93982636/Shipb ... eRefit.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93982636/Shipb ... ovence.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/93982636/Shipb ... rraine.png

...And many others that I have resized, but not saved. All of those are in SB scale, and exactly 166 meters long.

Please find here builder's plans.
http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defens ... .php?id=66

They cover the initial ship design. Note please also that the ONLY section plan may help you to allocate all the ship objects. I have studied the plans and unfortunately may say that they do not correspond to each other - some minor and not minor uncoincidences happen. Framing for Bretagne is 1 m. So it would be very easily for you to check your plans with the builder's ones.

Great, that you are not offended by critics. You are on the way to the perfection)

Even a more easier link
http://3dhistory.de/wordpress/?page_id=986

Karle
it is useless to propose your Bretagne class drawning for the 9th session download, your drawing are wrong, there are too many errors...

Dear Colombamike,
Don't be so tough. All of us started somehow with that kind of art. And my personnal beginning was pooooor)
Now I have evaluated my personnal style of drawing. Ian Sturton earlier did the same...) It always the way that you are to pass through to achieve the result.

To Karle94.
Continue to try. Don't leave the business)
1. Correct the objects disposition. Now, when your drawing is not overcrowded by detail it is easy.
2. Make than your drawing not look EMPTY fill it with details.
There are plenty of art works here, that have not any relationship to the reality - but they are great looking. And it is the point!)

You may send me by e-mail variants. I could advise you the things)
battleships@bk.ru

I am not leaving the business, but abandoning the two projects, because the referances I have used, every single one of them have been wrong. Now I have searched the internett for hours and found only those that I have used. So by pressing on, I only add inaccuraties. And I have used the official building plans too, even though it`s impossible to make out some of the details between all the unnecessary lines.

Listen.
Use my plan as a basic.
I am absolutely not in ship-bucket style - but I am pretty in reality. Just try to reproduce it. I am sure you will catch the point.

This one is pretty done
http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y53 ... etta-1.png
But it is not a real ship. It is a kind of mixture of 3 of the class that were pertty different. But it is well detailed and thus is smart looking.

This one is also
http://my.mail.ru/bk/battleships/photo? ... yphoto/207
just compare with my reconstruction. But it is greatly looking

Hello Karle94!

It would be regrettable if you allowed yourself to be demoralized by dima's criticism. After all, the drawings ha checks ours against are nowhere to be found on the net and his website shows only thumbs, so one has to assume that he is a professional who makes money with this kind of drawings (just check his 3d-models!); if you apply his standards of perfection to yourself, you can only lose. After all, your Algerie is already a huge step of development over your first attempts, and I also have chosen the one template for the Ernest Renan (out of dozens floating in the net) which gets her completely wrong.

If however you stick to your decision not to try again Bretagne and Courbet, I would love to take over. I have both of them 98% ready for several months (they lack only rigging and underwater hulls), I just did not post them out of fairness because you were faster.

Greetings
Garlicdesign

If you want them then by all means, have them. The reason for why I am abandoning them is becasue I have put so much time and effort into them, and that has been completely wasted. The official building plans that he has been telling us about, does not show the complete ship, and is generally hard to interpret becasue of lines that shows different decks, waterline etc. Believe me I am not one that quits easily, but sometimes one must realize that the battle has been lost.

BTW, how is the Saint Louis coming along?