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Colombamike
Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 5:42 pm
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French twin 37mm
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(warning: not to be confused with the experimental automatic 1940 model mount)

French quadruple 13,2mm heavy MG
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French twin 13,2mm heavy MG
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French 8mm Hotchkiss model 1914 light MG
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Some sources are conflicting on LIGHT machine guns onboard French warships by 1939-1942...
- Some sources speak of 7.5mm, others talk about 8mm Hotchkiss model 1914 in single (Water-cooled model) or twin mount :? .
- Some sources even claim about 12,7mm Browning modified around 1938-1939 into 13,2 mm MG by the FN Herstal company :?


PS: High resolution pics show very likely "8mm water-cooled" model...(Browning 7,62mm water-cooled style)
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Colombamike
Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 5:55 pm
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Algérie, August 1942
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Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 5:59 pm
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The last picture of the 8mm looks like a Browning M1917 so I guess a Browning M1917 shold suffice. They are all to small to have details to distinguish between them anyway. Are you absolutely sure there are 8mm guns on the 1942 version? Why put two 8mm guns when you can mount two 37mm which is unimaginably better in every respect to an 8mm gun?


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Colombamike
Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 6:16 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
Are you absolutely sure there are 8mm guns on the 1942 version? Why put two 8mm guns when you can mo--unt two 37mm which is unimaginably better in every respect to an 8mm gun?
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ALGERIE HEAVY CRUISER, 24 AUGUST 1942 (pics taken) DURING HIS PENULTIMATE TRIALS SEA (24-30 AUGUST 1942)
Aft AA sponson view
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The War, you know ?
The history of France under the Occupation, Vichy government, you know ?
Restrictions on material conditions under the German armistice of June 1940, the limitations in armaments of the Vichy army
by 1940-1942, you know ?, french military industry shortfall by 1940-1945...

Evidently that by 1942, twin or quadruple 25 ou 37 or 40mm are better and more effective, but the german occupation and all the constraints with are here...


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Karle94
Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 6:45 pm
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The 8mm is on place on the 1942 version where there once were a 37mm.


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Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 7:00 pm
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Last round for me...
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Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 7:34 pm
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The 8mm has been added, the quad 37mm has been removed and I have removed the lifeboat and replaced it with a personell boat. As far as the picture shows it`s pretty much the same type of boat so I just added the same boat.


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Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 8:04 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
Algérie in 1942:[ img ]
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Karle94 wrote:
The 8mm has been added
Yes
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the quad twin 37mm has been removed
For the aft mount near the aft 100mm gun, yes
But why you delete the quadruple 13,2mm mount fore the forward 100mm turret
Why you add a 37mm mount forward, toward the bow when anything is here....
:shock: :?
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and I have removed the lifeboat and replaced it with a personell boat. As far as the picture shows it`s pretty much the same type of boat so I just added the same boat.
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Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 8:14 pm
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I have not added any 37mm guns at the bow. It has been there since the beginning of the drawing.


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Post subject: Re: French Heavy Cruiser AlgeriéPosted: January 9th, 2013, 8:47 pm
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In the "personnal design section" or in the "AU design", you can attempt a "what if" version if the heavy cruiser Algérie had managed to escape the Germans in November 1942 and joined the Allies in North Africa. A "what if" version of the Algérie modernised in the USA in 1943 (with US radars/sensors and 20mm/40mm) would be nice to see.


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