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I try not comment on a lot of AU's, as too may just don't stand up to any proper scrutiny, and this is one of those. As someone of mixed Scots/English and Irish descent I can vouch for the simple fact that any 'union, between Scotland and Ireland (and Cornwall) is about as likely as one between Canada and the USA, in fact even more unlikely

And as to the vast Armada of (mostly) USN designs being assembled from the procedes of oil revenues? I hadn't noticed a similar move from Norway, Saudi Arabia etc etc. To begin with, where would the 'Celts' find the thousands of trained pesonnel? It actually takes many many years to provide the infrastructure that would support this very large fleet, and a hotch potch of dissimilar peoples such as the Irish, Scots, Welsh, Cornish - Cornish

would probably end up fighting each other first. And England? Um, lets see, would they just sit back and laugh?

On a similar theme, I would predict that the SNP led Independence movement as by now begun to ebb. The Scots are very canny when it comes to money, and Alex Salmons identification with the Celtic Tiger across the Irish sea has come back to slap him in the face - like a wet kipper

Ok heres how far we've got.

The CCS is made up of Northern Ireland, Wales, Cornwall (it is Celtic I promise) and Scotland. Being Celtic it has string ties with Brittany, and the welsh speaking place in South America (someone please help!!!). It was formed in late 2010 when the Northern Irish party (again don't know the name), the SNP and Plaid Cymru came to power in there respective states after it was found the UK Coalition agreement was corrupt. This lead to UKIP gaining a majority in England but then to get enought votes has to recruit the English democrats to make up numbers. This lead to the Celtic States being annexed. Due to it not being part of any agreement a dictator is now in power on the Isle of Man. In both NI and Scotland's EEZs there is a huge oil field holding about the same amount of oil as the Gulf of Mexico and the North Sea put together. Protectorates include West Falkland, St. Helena, Virgin Islands and DG. The political aspects of the Commonweath are as follows:

Monarch: QE 2
Prime Minister: Gavin Williams
Home Sec: Tom Pendine
Foreign Sec: Harvey O'Brian
Chancellor: Gordan Strachan
Defence Sec: Alex McMannas

Chief Defence Staff: General David Jones
First Sea Lord: Admiral John Martins
Chief Air Staff: Sir Tom O'Gara

Although Split in too three sections, Air Force, Amy and Sea all of the CCS military comes under the CSM (Celtic States Military).

The Equipment is as follows:
Navy:
2 Type 22 batch 3 frigates
8 Lake Class OPV
4 Island Class Corvettes
12 AW-159 Helicopters

Army:
30 Challenger 2 MBT
30 Saxon APC
30 Scorpion Tanks
40 Stormer APC
10 AS90
30 105 Howitzers

Air Force:
15 Tornado GR4
15 Eurofighter
2 Nimrods
6 C-130 (2 configured as back up MPA)
4 Chinook
12 Lynx AH 7/9
12 Apace
20 Tucanos

Entry into the Armed forces is simple. When a recruit joins they just select a branch and (if applicable) officer or Basic Recruit. After they complete a 10 week basic training at: Brecon (Army), Lossiemouth (Air Force) or Rosyth (Navy). On completion if this they are given a list if what role would best suit them and then choose a role (sometimes roles are picked by staff). They then complete a 6 month training scheme in this before what is called a military apprenticeship (optional) for those good enough whom want to enter at a higher rank.

Current Man Power is:
40,000 - Army
10,000 - Air Force
12,000 - Navy

This allow the military to be very articulate and there is the fact that there is no marines or equivalent to the RAF Regiment.
Another thing that politically favours the military is the fact that there is a law by which the government will give away free university places provided after there qualifications graduates spend 4 years in the regular forces and 4 afterwards in the reserves. This allows anyone with the know how to go to university while increasing the size of the military. Students already at university or whom have just left can have their student fees paid for/back if they choose to join the military.

The CCS is currently a member of NATO, the EU and UBI (United British Isles (mini-EU type body)) This allows it to react to major threats with its allies. It currently has mainly British weapons it inherited but aims to become more diverse. Its major alliences are with the USA, England, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, Eire and Spain.

The defence budget is 35 billion and this is split: Army 13 - Billion, Navy - 11 Billion Air Force - 11 Billion

The aim is to procure Gripen, Erikeye, Hawks and C-130 for the air force, FREMM, Cardigan Bay and more AW169 for the Navy, and Lynx Wildcat, Ex-UK rapier and Merlin for the army.

I do think that this is more indepth than the original and will be a better base. The OPVs are as above and will post the type 22 and Island class soon.

Thanks for the replies for the first set, I just think that I really did screw up.

Kind Regards

Nick a.k.a. Swin_Lad

P.S. The Cornish are Celts its just hardly anyone realises this ie. it has its own language similar to welsh!!! Also most Celts want independence form England (I am honestly one of them) and would strive to make this move work. Remember the Celts always seem to support whoever is playing England

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@ashwellkennedy

No worries sport; I'm a Selt too (to quote Richard Burton) and I'm very aware of the Cornish being related; its just that nobody takes Cornish Independence seriously; and if your new order of battle is replacing the old one then you're entering a more realistic scenario (IMHO). I'm not sure though about this compulsion to gather all Neo-Celts into a single political entity; I mean, you're going to need the Bretons too; and you've overlooked the Southern Irish, more Celtic than the Northern 'planters'. And with the Welsh diaspora; yes, they got to the Pampas of Argentina, but last I heard they'd been integrated (apart from a morbid interest in growing leeks); so I would discount them as unreliable (a lot of Tango dancing and what not). But all the best, and I sort of admire your chutzpa

Swin Lad a lot of Welsh settled in Patagonia southern Argentina.Many Argentine prisoners captured during the 1982 Falklands campaign had names such as Jones, Davies, etc.

I believe the Catalans and Basques are also of Celtic origin.

So for clarity's sake we can say that most of south western Europe is of Celtic origin, mingled with the Gaels? Also I belive that Chile is also mostly Celtic as many Scotts setteled there (see names like O'Higgins, Cochrane and Williiams in any Chilean phone book).

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Thank you Kim for the crest

"Never fear to try on something new. Remember that the Titanic was built by professionals, and the Ark by an amateur"

This is getting scary; are we looking at a Celtic takeover (a bit like 'V'); seemingly normal looking humans, but in their secret lairs eating Pasties, Leek soup, listening to Bryn Terfel cd's? but I hadn't realised that Chille was also Celtic

The Island Class Corvette

Built on the basis of the River Class OPV the Island Class is built to police the CCS EEZ and to provide support to counter-terrorism and piracy operations. Armed with SeaRAM for close in defence, a 76mm and harpoon for targeting enemy warships over the horizon. The interchangeable weapons module at the aft can take either: tower array sonar, RHIBs, a prosecutor craft (as shown) or AAW weaponry.

The class has already started to gain export interest from a number of counties including Taiwan, Mexico and Israel. It is marketed as a cheaper alternative to the LCS for littoral operations and basic support tasks. Also at a unit price of 200 million for vessel, sensors, gun and basic weapons.

Also for what was said above I thought it was the case with many of these but the most Celtic places excluding Erie are as I said. The is no way in hell they would attempt a take over (too risky) so I wrote it as above.

Nick

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@ashwellkennedy

Looking a lot better. The massive oil reserves seem a tad excessive--Better to leave the exact size of them vaguely large than give an exagggerated amount like "the same amount of oil as the Gulf of Mexico and the North Sea put together." I encourage you to read Pallamara's description as a rough idea of this. While it may indeed amount to the same thing, people are more likely to take you seriously.

Your numbers seem accurate enough, and 12,000 personnel puts you at around the same size as the Royal Netherlands Navy:

16 Warships
3 Support Ships
2 Landing Platform Dock's
4 Submarines
40 Other Ships (You can bet most of these are pretty small)
4 OPV's under construction
1 Support ship on order
21 Helicopters + 20 on order

While you most likely want a different setup than this, it gives a crude idea of what is possible with that sort of manpower, as this rather than money is going to be your bottleneck.

With your naval budget, you are looking at about 2.2 Billion per year after all the other bills have been paid. Some of this is going to have to go for munitions--after all those VLS tubes have to actually be loaded, or what you have is an expensive gunboat! Still with a FREMM type frigate going for about 400 million or so, you should easily be able to afford a couple a year. Six of these will give you 2 boats at sea at any given time, and up to four for surge operations. (Rule of thumb about naval vessels is that at any given time, 1 will be at sea, 1 in port, and 1 in the yard) Longterm, you should shoot for nine frigates, and maybe a pair of helo carriers. By "Helo Carrier" I don't mean something like your first attempt, rather a cheap modern vessel on par with the French Mistral Class, built to commercial standards to save money. These are typically multirole vessels, capable to projecting modest power at a modest price. They are popular and becoming moreso as they look like carriers, and can do other things besides act as warships, such as diaster relief and humanitarian work, allowing budget minded populaces and governments to pretend they really aren't warships.

I like the look of the Island Class, my only (minor) quibble being that the helopad seems much longer than needed--you could devote some of that length to more hangar space, but you've covered the basics of gun, ASM and point defense on one modest hull which is good.

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Spambot,
The reason for the flight deck being that size is so that, although the normal helo is an AW159 it can support a Chinook etc for short period.

Also a quick question, would the Ark Royal fit in that bracket due to it being thrown away or whouuld something else be required.

Thanks

Nick

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@ashwellkennedy

Short term, it may not be too bad, but eventually the older vessel is going to start to be a maintaince hog, at which point you are going to want to replace it.

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