RV Hugh R. Sharp

Colosseum wrote:

... that's how all railing is on ships. We show it using the standard method regardless of how it appears in real life.

either we want perfection of the drawing (something SB is about) or we draw it after SB rule. Colors okay, but railings WTF! Colo we update all parts so they shall be correct as possible so future vessel that is being drawn is correct as possible, but railings.......

to say it this way:

- "It's like saying that we must draw the ship 20 meter shorter then what it shall be. Because we are not allowed to draw the ship as it looks like."
- "Drawing "HMS Hood" looks like a container ship because the rule say so...."
- baying a dog, gets a cat. because the grammar textbook says: cat is a dog!
- It's like drawing Iowa, Yamato, Hood, etc. with 12'7 mm HMG because the rules says you are not allowed to draw a 16" gun or 18 " gun, etc.

What you say Colosseum is literally meaning: A boat, a car, a shoe, glasses, dog, cat, grass, "That noisy idiot next door!", paper, the needle in the haystack etc. = water!

what I basically says: is that the rules for railings should changes. Have a basic rule for how the railings should looks like, but as long the railing you draw is inside that rule you can draw what ever type of railing you want. So a rule like that would look like this:

"The railings must not be higher than 7 px. high and 7 px. long, but not lower and shorter than 3 px. high and 4 px. long. there shall always be two poles in the height of the railing (5 to 7 pixels height railing) one at a height of 4 pixels and next at 7 pixels. The design of these poles may vary from ship to ship, some have straight poles, some have chain or rope!"

then we can add three or four basic railings. one with chains/rope, one with the SB classic and one as the single alone railings that we can see on many ships.

When it come to colors: It's always okay to have one standard color all over, but there should be an discussion on what type of shading we should have and how to draw it a bit better on underwater hull since today's shading rules of a hull doesn't show how the hull really looks like. But we could at least make a simple hull that is easy and take us halfway there. With and exception: "If some one do an underwater hull so good but out side the rules, it can be uploaded, but then it have to be good" and we should give and advice on how much darker the shading must be over the standard colors since there is not always a ship have a read underwater hull.

Oh if this text looks a bit stupid. My excuse is that writed this text late at night, and the brain is starting to shutting down. so mods feel free to modifie my text, if you'r brain works at the moment....!

Alright, first of all, calm down. It's just railings on a ship drawing FFS. According to the scale, railings are 6 inches across!

You and I will not agree on this. I am a "standards" guy, having drawn roughly the same way since day one. You invent your own way of doing things and that's great, but it's not really what Shipbucket is about. The idea behind this is to create a database of ships which are drawn to roughly the same style as one another. When ships start getting drawn differently, IMO it negates a lot of the work done on the previous ships.

To me, the "standard" way is a clean way of drawing and it looks nice and tidy. If I wanted to draw ships with artistic shading and whatnot I'd take up drawing vector graphics ships.

I'm getting a bit tired of this "we either do it the NICE way, or the Shipbucket way!" mantra you've been trotting out every time this comes up. If you are so displeased with how we do things, invent your own style, website and community!

Nah! it's more fun to bother you. BTW. I plan to take all the drawings I've done and coloring them on the SB way, while I'm making a list of what has been drawn of Norwegian ship.

btw. let's us get back to topic. hm. I think in this circumstances this ships need those railing. but at this scale it is a bit difficult to see if it is a chain railing or not, so a standard railing is perhaps best.

Yes indeed...

Trust me, while drawing the USN cruisers I noticed several different types of railing and tried to emulate them, but at this scale it's best to just use the standard railing.

My 3 cents.
The current "railings rule" is already well established due to being used on thousands of drawings etc. so I guess there's no point in changing it.
That said, I think it should be allowed to sometimes use non-standard railings when (like I think it is the case here) it shows some extremely peculiar, individual railing arrangement on some particular ship - esp. when it doesn't relate to railings on whole ship but only on it's part (or if it would very seriously distort the appearance of the ship), with the idea that it would be used as an exception, as rarely and little as possible.

Yea remember, always, that the SB scale doesen't allow at any case accurate presentation of thin lines and cords that makes up the railings. Therefore one needs to do bit of "artistical approach" to the matter to get them properly included into the drawing. Now when the whole style is about uniformality, then the question always is: When does things need to be uniformal? The answer is naturally complicated and demands some sort of interpration from everyone, but one key factor of it is that when things comes to overexaggeration, the uniformality is even more important than it is in some other issues. Shipbucket style is what I always call, an art of overexaggeration, but it is also uniformal style, therefore the overexaggerations simply needs to be done as they've uniformally done.

SB railings are one of the most common and important aspects of the entire style. They should not be altered at any case nor under any excuse, otherwise the drawing looses much of the "soul" that Shipbucket label adds to it.

People, this is why layers are awesome.

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I add my five cents here for better of worse: being a historian with a speciality in naval history and an affinity for ships, I'm always looking at the accuracy of either photos, or drawn representations of a particular ship. While the SB-scale does have its inherent limitations, for sure, it can nevertheless, fairly accurately render an accurate and thorough representation of a given ship - of course very much depending on the actual abilities of the artist! - In this comprehensive understanding of accuracy is included even such details as the rendering of the railings. The truth is that there's hardly any real standards when it comes to this IRL. So be it, that ought to be represented at SB too - exactly for Gollevainen's stated reason to create a searchable database! - Now, I may be wrong in my assumption, but I believe those concerned with searching our database, would sooner or later tire of doing so, if all our drawings were monolithic and simplified in character. Most ships' experts and -lovers desire, I think, an as precise as ever possible, drawing of 'their' ship. When the system/design of such equipments as railings are not evident, and they're not always so, then it is recommended, indeed, to use a set of 'standardized' railings. In that context, they won't fail their purpose.
I admire Timothy for going bold on his endevor, in order to create a very precise and minute representation of this ship. We should not criticize that effort; rather we ought to celebrate such initiative and strive for even more complete perfection - especially now, when we have amongst us such a huge host of truly talented artists!

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It's a railing on a ship that shouldn't even be showing up at this scale. Use the standard one, please.

Bezo, two things. I had already reverted to standard railings when you made that comment, and you're one to talk about accuracy - the title blocks on the missile cruiser conversions are still wrong.

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