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heuhen
Post subject: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 9:04 pm
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approx 193.5 meter long and 9.1 meter deep.

the main and secondery gun is of unknown size (If you are going to make an SS report, you have to give it a size)
the gunns we know of is the 2.pdr and the 4,7 in gun.

this is just an basic design, (If had time to go all out I would do so). So I offer this ship as a free to use design for our Shipbucket members.

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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 9:10 pm
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Oooh! A super pre-dreadnought!
I might be able to make a report, if you give me a few minutes or so. ;)


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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 9:12 pm
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I am guessing that the main guns are between 16-20 inchers.


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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 9:15 pm
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APDAF wrote:
I am guessing that the main guns are between 16-20 inchers.
in you'r world main guns is always BIG! try to Relax on that area, first then you will draw good ships!


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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 9:37 pm
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given barrel thickness as sole reference i would say a maximum of 16-inch for the main guns and something around 6 inch or a bit more for secondaries.

Might be probably wrong tough.

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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 9:51 pm
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quick 'sharp:
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1910

Displacement:
29 213 t light; 30 588 t standard; 32 300 t normal; 33 670 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(641,40 ft / 634,84 ft) x 112,86 ft x (29,86 / 30,83 ft)
(195,50 m / 193,50 m) x 34,40 m x (9,10 / 9,40 m)

Armament:
4 - 15,98" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 059,37lbs / 934,11kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 6,89" / 175 mm 45,0 cal guns - 164,92lbs / 74,81kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1910 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
4 - 6,89" / 175 mm 45,0 cal guns - 164,92lbs / 74,81kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 400 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 39,0 cal guns - 1,86lbs / 0,84kg shells, 1 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 10 437 lbs / 4 734 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 334,65 ft / 102,00 m 14,44 ft / 4,40 m
Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 259,19 ft / 79,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
41,01 ft / 12,50 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 7,87" / 200 mm 285,43 ft / 87,00 m 7,55 ft / 2,30 m
Main Belt covers 81 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
11,8" / 300 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m

- Hull Bulges:
4,72" / 120 mm 367,45 ft / 112,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 18,9" / 480 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 15,7" / 400 mm
2nd: 5,91" / 150 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 3,94" / 100 mm
3rd: 3,94" / 100 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 3,94" / 100 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 13,39" / 340 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Hydraulic drive, 2 shafts, 29 733 shp / 22 181 Kw = 20,00 kts
Range 8 000nm at 10,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3 081 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
1 204 - 1 566

Cost:
£2,136 million / $8,545 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 044 tons, 6,3 %
Armour: 14 211 tons, 44,0 %
- Belts: 4 661 tons, 14,4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2 352 tons, 7,3 %
- Bulges: 2 318 tons, 8,9 %
- Armament: 2 069 tons, 6,4 %
- Armour Deck: 2 518 tons, 7,8 %
- Conning Tower: 292 tons, 0,9 %
Machinery: 1 287 tons, 4,0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 301 tons, 35,0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 087 tons, 9,6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 370 tons, 1,1 %
- Hull void weights: 250 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
98 738 lbs / 44 787 Kg = 48,4 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 27,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,41
Metacentric height 10,9 ft / 3,3 m
Roll period: 14,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,87

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,528 / 0,533
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,63 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,20 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
Stern overhang: -7,55 ft / -2,30 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20,00 %, 26,90 ft / 8,20 m, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m
- Forward deck: 30,00 %, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m
- Aft deck: 23,00 %, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m, 25,26 ft / 7,70 m
- Quarter deck: 27,00 %, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 19,03 ft / 5,80 m
- Average freeboard: 23,58 ft / 7,19 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 49,4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 195,9 %
Waterplane Area: 49 008 Square feet or 4 553 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 184 lbs/sq ft or 898 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,93
- Longitudinal: 2,00
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather



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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 10:41 pm
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The problem with Springboarding this thing (assuming that the whole reason why you'd Springsharp it is for realism) is that, for this era, gunpowder technology wasn't up to supporting guns of this size - hence why it just didn't happen. But a nice design no less.


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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 11:20 pm
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klagldsf wrote:
The problem with Springboarding this thing (assuming that the whole reason why you'd Springsharp it is for realism) is that, for this era, gunpowder technology wasn't up to supporting guns of this size - hence why it just didn't happen. But a nice design no less.
it is just for fun! If I wanted to go after the real world she would most likely have 14" guns a'la British ships.





After reading that SS-report I am starting to wonder how she might have look like "if she had upgrades during the 20's/30's and just for fun "taken back in to service in the 40's" any ideas.

Oh all SB members can borrow this drawing and modify it as they want it and perhaps post it her or in other part of the forum!


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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 11:27 pm
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Like this I suspect. Nobody is going to keep such an old design around for long.

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Post subject: Re: Got bored AU!Posted: December 6th, 2012, 11:28 pm
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Um, Germany did.


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