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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 2nd, 2012, 12:19 am
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This is really shaping up well! I am liking it they way it is IMO you should leave the superstructure as is in length though your welcome to do whatever you want since it is your drawing.

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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 2nd, 2012, 12:54 am
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Thanks! :D Well, it's mostly due to it looking a bit empty after the big... thing on top of the entire aft superstructure/hangar complex went away(no longer had a proper reason for having it there).
I'm redoing the Gotrige Radars currently(some will end up somewhat massive).
The system will essentialy be:
I post one version with for example British radars, and one with Gotrige ones. The all RL radar version will be to improve my sence of RL systems and how radars and such works, as well as to allow people to more accuratly judge the ship's capabilities. The Gotrige version will be the "official" one, i.e, how it looks in the universe. It is most likely that some RL equipment will be included in these as well.

EDIT: I've added a version with mixed Gotrige/British radar.


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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 3rd, 2012, 10:18 pm
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There, I've added an update in the first post. Firstly, I've added further WIP of the ship, where I've redrawn the superstructure a bit. The little thing above the LFERSM M/80 is a gunnery director, roughly equivalent to the AN/SPQ-9. I'm thinking of taking more arrangement elements from the Kirov, and adding a pair of CIWS flanking the SSM VLS, since the ones flanking the main tower structure have been removed. I'm also considering adding a launcher(non-VLS) for smaller SAMs, which I'm currently pondering on how to do. The director for these will probably be placed on the little structure rising up on the aft superstructure.
Secondly, I've added a small radar comparassion sheet, which will sooner or later be expanded.

Hope you like the remake. ;)


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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 3rd, 2012, 10:35 pm
Excellent work! *thumps up*


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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 3rd, 2012, 10:41 pm
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Thanks! :D I'm feeling like this ship is finaly starting to take the shape I want(both from a functional and an aesthetical standpoint ;) ). 8-)


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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 5th, 2012, 6:38 am
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acelanceloet wrote:
well, SSM's are angled on the kirov's because otherwise they would penetrate too deep into the hull (structural issues, less decks pierced)
I am not certain this is so. Various Western sources indicate that P-700 aboard Kirov was angled at the well-known 45deg because this launch system was adapted from the Oscar SSGNs. Certainly publicly-available cutaways of unknown honesty show the P-700 battery only penetrating as far as the waterline!


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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 5th, 2012, 8:24 am
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hmm. could be correct, as I do know next to nothing about soviet designs.
that said, at least most western systems penetrate only till the waterline, and if I add the possibility to penetrate one deck below the waterline I have not yet found any GMLS parts of all the belowdeck illustrations I have drawn that go lower then that. (the sea dart being the only one going one deck below)
so, my question is, show those cutaways that other systems go further then the waterline?

also, I don't think it would have fitted in the bow if it was not 45 degrees angled, due to the bow getting finer there and it would interfere with the bilge construction (as, IIRC, this system is as far forward as possible)

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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 5th, 2012, 3:22 pm
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No. S-300 is forward of P-700 on Kirov, and S-300 actually penetrates deeper than P-700 does. A number of other GMLS also penetrate below the waterline. Slava's S-300 does, as I recall, and certainly a number of the Terrier and Talos launchers did.


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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 6th, 2012, 8:44 am
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hmm, ok, interesting. right, it might be possible that the huge talos and terrier systems wen't belowdeck. note though, that on the long beach all the Mk 10's stayed 90% above the waterline. the Mk 4 penetrated lower though indeed, but was an fit on an rebuild ship. I have no data for the Mk 12, but seeing that the Mk 10's stayed above the waterline.... I suppose that that would be the same.

but ok, point taken. it is possible, but it seems like the fits that go below the waterline are more the exception than the rule.

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Post subject: Re: AU Gotrige Post-War combatantsPosted: December 6th, 2012, 10:26 pm
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I've updated the Admiral class slightly. It will get new updates regularly, as I try to get it into SB detail-standard for this age... suggestions for details I should include?
But, I've also added the first stage WIP for a cruiser of more convetional dimensions. Estimated to roughly 12 000 tons, it's more of the standard line cruiser, a class of eight ships, unlike the Admiral class, planned for three units. I'm also playing with the thought of a frigate-sized escort ship, and fiddling with how the navy will be built up in units around mainly these three ship types. The only plans I have so far is:
3 Admiral class "missile battlecruisers"(CGNB)(two in active service at a time)
8 CG1978(project name) class CG(six units in active service at a time)
12 F1980(project name) class FF(eight units in active service at a time)


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