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Hel in 1929. Some guns have been removed and the openings plated over. Six 5"/20 AA guns have been added and the five 13mm AA guns have been replaced with 30mm guns.



Belisknir naturally recieved a similar refit in 1929.



Hel was slated for a complete overhaul in 1939, but the unrest and later war in Europe prevented her from being withdrawn. Instead, she recieved a refit, the 4 inch huns were replaced with 5 inch guns and extra 30mm AA guns were added. All the lifeboats on davits were removed.



Belisknir was being overhauled, recieving new engines, extra armor on par with battleships, five inch dual purpose guns, many 30mm and 40mm guns and a new superstructure. I`m sort off stuck on the superstructure. Should I make a new superstructure style or should I make one similar to the other modern Norse ships?

The type of superstructure you go for is namely for the role it will serve as a part of the ship. If its a flagship then the superstructure will need to contain command and control rooms, the admirals quarters and bridge, Etc. if its not, you can get away with a reduced superstructure provided it doesn't hamper the equipment fit within.

Personally in your case I would go a hybrid of the rebuilt Renowns/QE class with the more modern Norse ships to give it that air of having been upgraded with expanded equipment (such as better fire control. Radars, etc).

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While I`m figuring out how the 1940 refit of the Beliskner will turn out I have some ideas for a guided missile cruiser built in the late 70s´. She`s a big fat mama with lots of missiles and a big modern dual 6"/70 guns for lighting up commies.

one large problem: CIWS and VLS were not around yet in the 1970's.

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VLS did exist, it was developed in the 60s and 70s. The Mk 41 wasn`t designed until 1976 but subs had VLS, why can`t ships have them at the same time. As I wrote, late 70s as in 1977-1979.

The real problem isn't really the VLS itself but rather the missiles. Specifically, the missile have to be able to turn towards its target. Not a big issue when you're targeting a city a thousand miles away, quite something else when you're trying to hit a sea skimming target 20 miles away.

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I have removed the CIWS` and the VLS and have replaced the VLS with two twin arm launchers for the Mach 3 ASuW missile and two twin arm launchers for the medium range mach 2 SAM missiles. The launchers for the ASuW will alsi be able to launch a long range SAM missile that I am yet to draw.

The CG is an interesting 70s design, but I'm not getting a feel for the 4 launchers. The magazine drums on those things were huge. So much so I don't think you would have room for 4 sets of launchers...especially with only 4 directors.
Perhaps getting rid of 1 launcher off each end. Move the aft launcher to the main deck, then build up a helo pad and hanger where the launchers currently sit. Perhaps with a NATO Seasparrow launcher on top. This will also give you a place to add CIWS in a later upgrade.
Forward I'd dump the upper deck launcher and convert the magazine deckhouse into Flag Quarters. This gives you another natural space to add CIWS forward later. You have a big bow sonar...perhaps an ASROC launcher between the stacks. This could also be upgraded later by putting ASROC in the missile magazine and replacing the ASROC launcher with 2 quad Harpoon sets between the funnels. You also need some torpedo tubes.

Regardless, a nice looking ship with clean lines...but missing the design style of the 1970s.

maybe this helps
source: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... =16&t=2755

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If it were me, at least for the super CG I'd probably install a pair of Mk10s (probably the diagonal variants) with a pair of super-firing Mk26s. Along the way I'd probably fit BPDMS when it comes online amidships P&S.

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