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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 4th, 2010, 10:25 pm
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Ok, first here is the latest version prior to your latest post Mike:
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[i]U.S. destroyers: an illustrated design history[/i] By Norman Friedman Page 321-22 wrote:
Even within these limits, the DG design varied considerably. At first it was to have an austere sonar suite with provision for landing, but not stowing, a helicopter. The missile launcher would be the new Mk 26 Mod 1, which could fire ASROC as well as the Standard missile; austerity measures included the deletion of the SPS-49 two-dimensional radar. Those objecting said that so valuable a ship should have at least two launchers, and the design was recast to show two Mk-13 launchers, with 40 missiles each-- but without ASROC capability. LAMPS and an SPS-49 were added, and by early 1973 the DG displaced 6,161 tons fully loaded and was to cost $136.1 million (follow-on ship), both of which figures exceeded Admiral Zumwalt's limits.

This was not entirely satisfactory. Although compact, the Mk 13 launcher severely limited the dimensions of the missiles it could accommodate, and thus left little room for growth in the Standard missile, or indeed for replacement of that weapon by some alternative, such as the blended rocket-ramjet then being discussed. Nor was it suited to nuclear weapons, which in earlier SAM systems had been considered and important means of breaking up mass attacks. Thus early in 1973 DG development shifted once more to the Mk 26, this time in its Mod 2 (64-missile) version. The DG now fell within the displacement limit (5,884 tons fully loaded), although its estimated cost rose to about $200 million, which merely foreshadowed the explosive cost escalation to come.
This gets confusing as the version I have here might have LAMPS, or it might not and I've erred on the "It has LAMPS" side of the question. The drawing we have also leads me to think that the hanger is partially sunk into the hull, thus increasing height in the hanger without raising the total height of the roof (relative to the outside deck).

As for the liferaft / engine uptake flip, yeah I can see myself having done that, but then I lose where the uptakes are (one option is further up on the superstructure).

Yeah I think I'll need to fix the main mast. Not sure how far back I'm going to move it vs. how much bigger I'm going to make it. Sort of some massive reworking I'm not sure how much better I can make it all fit.

As an aside, is there any chance that the Mk-32 Torpedo Tubes could have been mounted partially inside the superstructure? The more I look at it, they can't fit where I've put them. Maybe it needs a door or such.

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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 5th, 2010, 8:12 am
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TimothyC wrote:
As an aside, is there any chance that the Mk-32 Torpedo Tubes could have been mounted partially inside the superstructure? The more I look at it, they can't fit where I've put them. Maybe it needs a door or such.
In the Spruance DD (built 1972-1981...), the TT were into the side hull.....not ? ;)


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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 5th, 2010, 3:55 pm
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Colombamike wrote:
In the Spruance DD (built 1972-1981...), the TT were into the side hull.....not ? ;)
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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 6th, 2010, 2:24 am
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Updated!

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Completed:
  • New, larger mast
  • Engine uptakes raised
  • Liferafts in the proper places
  • Torpedo tubes now built into the hull instead of on deck
To do:
  • Place CIWS
  • Add more hull detail (AKA make it up as I go!)

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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 6th, 2010, 6:15 pm
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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 6th, 2010, 10:13 pm
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Done before your latest batch of comments Mike, and to be honest you are getting certain things wrong as we go...

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Oy!
  1. DG/AEGIS was the predecessor to the CSGN designs (look at the years that Friedman lists for the design - FY72-74, which precede the CSGN designs.
  2. Yes the bow could use some cleanup making her a little more vertical, but right now she's got a cross between the Spruance bow and the CSGN bow
  3. Crap I am 8 pixels short. Friedman lists LWL as 488 feet, and I have 968 pixels
  4. The landing pad deck rail was pulled from the Spruances, which were of the same generation conceptually. The other option was to go with the OHP deck rail, which didn't look as good.
  5. She's less than 6000 tons full displacement Mike, her torpedo tubes are going to be lower than those of the Spruances, Kidds, and Tico
  6. ECM - This was an austere hull Mike, I could see this ship as being fitted for, not with ECM to start with. This ties into the next point:
  7. No NTDS, not NTDS antenna
  8. She mounts two Phalanxes, and I've placed them amidships
  9. I'll try knocking something together for strait hull lines and a different stern, but I'm not sure what you are saying would work.

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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 7th, 2010, 3:37 am
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Ok, Most recent update:

Yes I did take Mike's suggestions on the bow, stern, and hull.

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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 7th, 2010, 11:23 am
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Personally I think the hull is too shallow. You need more depth, perhaps 4-6 more pixels in height might do the trick. Right now it looks too long and thin and from the drawing Colombamike it looks almost as deep as the superstructure. Probably the bows do flare too. An interesting and very clean design.

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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 7th, 2010, 5:36 pm
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Post subject: Re: DG/AEGISPosted: December 7th, 2010, 7:34 pm
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Before we go any further I'm going to remind everyone that the version I'm drawing is the FY74 version and as such has LAMPS. The FY72 version, shown in the artist rendering, doesn't have LAMPS, this is going to increase the height of the aft superstructure.

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