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HMS Sophia
Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 4:57 pm
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Damn, I should have expected that :P Panel lines (I think, not sure). I'll curve them.

The rigging is the best I could do off the sources I had. I know it's complicated, but the pictures I was using weren't good enough. Do you have any sources for anything like that?


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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 5:03 pm
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well....
http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?di ... arrior.png
an example, only 10 years away from your ship. she's much bigger though, and of course an warship, so only of limited value for you.
my personal knowledge of riggings of that era is very small, I know more about 17th century ships, a bit from 18th century and a bit about modern.... but between that, the time you are working with, is something I have very limited knowledge of, and you should most likely ask somebody else. I can only point again at the steam frigates of the time.

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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 5:16 pm
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Well... I seem to have the main stays and such...
Quite simply I don't know enough about rigging to know what should go where. I think with the main stuff there, the mast supports and such, (which I have a couple more to add) things will be okay...
Thanks very much for your help though :D You've been great...
I'm going to try to do a fast cutter for every big change. An early 1900's one should be next...


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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 11:24 pm
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Well some suggestions for rigging you would need include to the tips of the yard arms to allow the crews on deck to adjust the angle of the yard on the mast, more supporting rigging for the masts (both fore and aft and side based, need solid connections to the hull and not just the other masts, else a storm might bring down one of your masts and damage the others). Also the bowsprit could do with a jackstaff or some kind of netting beneath it, during this time it was still common to carry sails there.

Finally you should look into topgallants or studding sails to complete your rig. As it is here doesnt appear to be enough canvas for her hull size, even with auxiliary steam. After all, in this age coaling locations are few and steam engines are incredibly hungry so they'd only been used when there the sails are in effective.

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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 11:29 pm
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Thanks Denodon :D
I've decided I hate rigging. I'm going to do it, but I hate it :P I'm getting back into pure steam after this :P


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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 11:33 pm
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Hehe, no worries. Rigging looks complex but once you have an understanding as to what each piece is for, it becomes a lot easier. I learnt a lot from the model of HMS Victory I built years ago, that Forrest of rigging took me months to complete but the model book had descriptions for what each piece was for which was handy.

Just be thankful your ship is somewhat newer with stiffer masts, the older vessels required more rigging (including multiple stays and shrouds) to both support the masts and grant access to sailors. Around the mid 19th century there was a shift from primary controlling the sails from the yards themselves down onto the deck which reduced the size of crews and made them more competitive against the new steam paddlers and screw ships.

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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 11th, 2012, 11:53 pm
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Sorry for the double posts but here's a few images of Russian steam frigates I've been using for a drawing in my AU, they show the average rigging you could use.

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Enjoy

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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 12th, 2012, 12:18 am
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Thanks man :D Those are great.
In other news, I'm a complete moron. So I'm struggling to find sources for a clippers rigging. But what's this I find? Is that a scale model of a rigged clipper we bought not a year ago? Why yes, yes it is :roll:
Would you all like to slow clap at once, or take it in turns? :lol:
I know what's getting dragged downstairs tomorrow...


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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 12th, 2012, 12:53 am
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So, I've had another go at this rigging lark. I know it's still not complete, not in comparison to some things... But I think it's better than it was. Please, take a look:
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Thanks to all those who have helped, and will hopefully keep helping :P


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Post subject: Re: John Company - From India to the worldPosted: November 12th, 2012, 1:06 am
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That looks a lot better now that there's ability to control the sails as well as support for the masts. One other suggestion I forgot from earlier is that your masts should ideally have some platforms for crew working (see the above reference images) with the shrouds extending at least as far of those. For your drawing the best place for this platform would be at the mast steps, that is where many had them as the platform itself provided a good point for maintaining the mast sections.

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