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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:49 pm
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The battlecruiser looks a bit undergunned if you are going for something like a Moltke copy/equivalent.


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:52 pm
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It`s a contemporary battlecruiser of the Invincible.


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:53 pm
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"The first Viking battlecruiser" looks great! IMO one of, if not the best of your works!

APDAF, look at the first German Battlecruiser, the Von Der Tann.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Von_der_Tann


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:56 pm
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Karle94 wrote:
The beam is 23 meters. 3 Meters more than the Arleigh Burke. It gives a small margin for the helo deck. What I`d really like is feedback on the battlecruiser and the heavy cruiser.
just note that the Arleigh Burke class is already so beamy as you can get it. You can of course get more beam, but then you will start to loose a lot of speed. What I will do is moving the Hangar 2-4 meters more forward, something that is not a problem on you'r ship.

those other ships is okay, some of them have perhaps a tad to much guns but hey that is the fun part!
But if you want them to look like ships we post in the real world section, you need to look at other ships from the real world that have been drawn. like British ships, Germans, Americans, etc.

And remember the text about detailing the detail so we can detail you'r detail so I can detail the detail you detailed of that detail....


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:57 pm
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KHT wrote:
"The first Viking battlecruiser" looks great! IMO one of, if not the best of your works!

APDAF, look at the first German Battlecruiser, the Von Der Tann.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Von_der_Tann
Tnaw, thanks. The ironic part is that it looks something like what the Tyr was supposed to look like.

APDAF, bigger, more powerful battlecruisers will appear. But only when I draw them. Just becasue it looks like something doesn`t mean it`s supposed to compare to it.

Details will follow Heuhen. But first i must think some up.


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 6:59 pm
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The battlecruiser looks a bit undergunned if you are going for something like a Moltke copy/equivalent.
you have to remember it is not Normal to have an 18" gun on a row boat. That is called Nation state. this is Shipbucket, we do the real thing! It's better to have just a to small gun than I have the biggest gun on my row boat. and it can't sink......


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Details will follow Heuhen. But first i must think some up.

To think on detail is like: detailing the detail that was detailed by the detail, so the detail will detail attack you in a detailed manner, and make you detailed, in his detail of a community detail that was detailed by the detail of...!

Oh shit!


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 7:00 pm
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Most of the German battlecruisers had 11-12 inch guns while British ships had 12 and 13,5 inch guns and some had even bigger guns. The German battlecruisers did in turn have more armor. What you sacrifice in arnament you can make up for in armor.


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 7:03 pm
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When I mean undergunned heuhen I meant it lacked one turret of two 11.02'' or 28 cm SK L/45 guns.


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 7:17 pm
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Should my battlecruisers follow the same evolution as my battleships, from 12"-14"-15"-16"? Or should I have a seperate evolution where the second class has 12 inch guns and the next 14 inch and maybe put 15 inch and 16 inch guns on designs that were put forward during and/or after WWI?


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Post subject: Re: Norseland: The Viking AUPosted: November 10th, 2012, 9:23 pm
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So the Heimdallr became the protoype for the battlecruiser of the Unified Norse Navy. Ideas were tested and some discarded from future designs. The most prominent is that the following ships had all turrets mounted on the centerline like the battleships. The Tyr, the first dreadnought was originally to have one front, one aft and four turrets amidships ala Nassau. But earlier cruiser designs suffered som drawbacks becasue of that layout and the Heimdallr was too far into construction to redesign. The navy was barely able to convert the Tyr to an all centerline layout. The next class of battlecruiser, the Kvasir (pronounced Vasir) had five turrets, all amidships. Three aft, one front and one amidships. The three turrets aft was a legacy from the Tyr, of which both the Heimdallr and Kvasir is closely related to. The hull and superstructure of the Heimdallr and Kvasir is much alike, the casemates are one deck up and the ship is the first to have the classic Norse and German conning tower. The ship retains the 12 inch guns of the Tyr and Heimdallr on an enlargened hull almost as long as the Freyr class.

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The Loki class was the last battlecruiser built before the war. The Loki was the contemporary Viking ship of the Freyr class battleship and the two shared many design features. The Loki distinguished it self from the others for it`s layout: one forward 14" turret, two superfiring turrets amidship and two superfiring aft. The Loki is not that much bigger than the Kvasir but weights much more due to much thicker armor.

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One battlecruiser class is to be built during the war and two new designs arise based on wartime experience.

The battlecruiser built during the war is to have eight or ten 15 inch guns, the same as the Sleipner class. The other two designs will have 16 inch guns from the Ægir class.


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