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Madscotsman
Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 2:11 pm
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Right, hopefully the final time I will post this image here :P I have done my best to incorporate all suggestions and have run out of my own ideas.

How did I do? What do I need to improve? Are there any MAJOR flaws?

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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 2:21 pm
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well.... yes.
- what have you done with the praerie masker system :O
- there is an diesel coolwater exhaust under your midships VLS.
- there is an diesel funnel on your hangar, but no space for the generator that should be underneath it.
- the upper forward structure seems not to fit the lower
- stealth?
- the SLQ-32 has an very limited field of vision, also why would you have this US system on an british ship?
- 2 different types of liferafts?

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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 2:26 pm
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Right, back to the drawing board.

Thanks Ace. You have seriously gone above and beyond to help me the last few days, I appreciate it.


Regarding Stealth, I am not really 100% sure on how I can make it more/less stealthy, I know I have an odd mixture of things that make it more/less stealthy. E.g. the SAMPSON's mast, smooth(ish) Superstructure.


And if the Prairie-Masker system is what I am assuming it is... That probably got messed up in the redraw of the underwater hull.


I feel like I am annoying you all by now.... but yea... another WIP I have made the RHIB bay internal to the superstructure and I have blended the forward superstructure in.
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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 6:03 pm
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What you're going to end up with is a Type 45 with an extra VLS bay.


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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 6:48 pm
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I concur however at least he is learning a damn sight quicker than some people do.

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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 6:59 pm
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There is to many 20 and 12.7 mm guns. it's enough with 2*20 mm one on itch side. and four 12,7 mm two on itch side.


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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 7:07 pm
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Blackbuck wrote:
I concur however at least he is learning a damn sight quicker than some people do.
That's true.


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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 8:43 pm
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Note you did do some change before i posted this one. But here you go!



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1. This will obstruct the landing for the Helicopter.
2. You'r Hangar isn't big enough for two helicopters, because you have walkways on the side of the Hangar.
3. 6. and 7. Are you drawing a WWII vessel or a Modern vessel? today a vessel like this has either only 4 to 6 12,7 mm or 2 20 and 4 12,7 mm guns. Not 1/2 * 12,7 mm, 10*20 mm!
4. If this was meant as a open Rib bay, it is correct but wrong in the same time. It have mostly in how you use colors to show shading.
5. some of them is in a bad position special the UHF mast (you want that one to be placed in a place where it have a lot of air around it for best effect. (Have you ever tried to use a radio behind a fridge!)
8. Black line says it is a 90 degrees brake her. (I see you have fixed that on you'r update.
9. That is stealth railings with life-rafts behind it.
10. That should be colored in a different color since you don't have a funnel close to it.

Other things You can't place a life-raft to close to a 20 mm gun or a 12,7 mm gun since it need a free area for it self. (Yeah it's funny to walk to the bed over the closed, bad-tub, the entire house, etc. etc. etc. just to get to the bed)


I just took you'r drawing and tried to make it look a bit more like... more like what we one sighted, old turfs, would think it would look like. Note this is not perfect either, and is just a showcase of how a ship that have some stealth feature.
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1. I made this walk way 17/19 px high (a normal deck hight in SB), Integrated mostly everything in to the hull. (in stealth: Angle and clean surface is always good!)
2. I would have the funnel more aft. but that will give you some problem with you'r amidships VLS. A solution is to have only a self defense missile's that only need a smaller VLS.
3. Not the perfect position but it is better than obstructing the helicopter.
4. VLS behind cover gives a better stealth.
5. Same as on the drawing above. Oh the UHF mast and that WWII thingy communication thing is a tad old!
6. VLS behind cover gives a better stealth. This VLS can safely be moved more forward. And thus prevent unnecessary risk of damage to the bridge.
7. Stealth ships need stealth gun. The same gun that you use only this is the MOD 1


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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 8:56 pm
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I believe there`s enough changes to the design that you can remove me from the credits.


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Post subject: Re: United Kingdom AU - Missile FrigatePosted: November 1st, 2012, 9:44 pm
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Wow, thanks for the response guys.

Regarding the black on the SAMPSON mast, it is actually painted like that in real life.

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