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Post subject: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 6:07 am
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First SB boat.

A nuclear missile cruiser built in the 1990s.

I wonder how many things I'm missing.

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 7:12 am
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Kattsun wrote:
I wonder how many things I'm missing.
First thing you miss is proper forum section. ;)

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Second is not only you miss "couple" of things but you have a couple too much.

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 4:16 pm
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it is not that bad actually..... but I will return to this later on, when I have more time.

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 4:24 pm
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if the cruiser is built in the 90's you could switch all those twin arm launchers with VLS

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 4:52 pm
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If it was built in the 90's then it probably wouldn't have been built with arm launchers. I also assume that the smaller AAW missile is a version of ESSM, which would not be launched from a Mk.26 Arm Launcher. I might also add that you have absolutely no provision for any way to engage surface targets, most cruisers have at least a 5inch Gun. If you equipped VLS, you could carry SSM's such as the BGM-109. THe only SSM you can carry in the Harpoon.

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 5:30 pm
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BB1987 wrote:
if the cruiser is built in the 90's you could switch all those twin arm launchers with VLS
I certainly could, but I prefer arm launchers, since I've been told they're easier to reload at sea (I am not sure if this applies to Mk 26 and Mk 10, but presumably it is for Mk 7 Talos since it has a horizontal strikedown) and the firing rate of the Mk 26 is almost the same as VLS' sustained 30 RPM. Either way, I prefer the look of the arms as opposed to VLS.
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If it was built in the 90's then it probably wouldn't have been built with arm launchers. I also assume that the smaller AAW missile is a version of ESSM, which would not be launched from a Mk.26 Arm Launcher. I might also add that you have absolutely no provision for any way to engage surface targets, most cruisers have at least a 5inch Gun. If you equipped VLS, you could carry SSM's such as the BGM-109. THe only SSM you can carry in the Harpoon.
Both missiles are Typhon. The larger is RIM-50LR, the smaller is RIM-55MR. I couldn't fit all the details in SB scale so I had to sacrifice some. And surely RIM-50/55 could be used to engage surface vessels and targets in a similar way Talos, Standard, etc. have been for decades?

Really I'm mostly interested in finding out what systems are missing from the masts, what I should do about my obnoxiously flat deck, and if six arm launchers is workable with three illuminators assuming the missiles time-share since it's an AEGIS ship etc or if I should have one illuminator per launcher.

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 6:06 pm
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It is questionable for a ship from 1990s to be fitted without helideck and hanger especially a ship this size. I also recommend having AN/SPS-49 as the back up Air Search Radar and install 1 more AN/SPG-62.


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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 6:23 pm
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It has an SPS-49 and I'm not sure where I'd put the 4th SPG-62 tbh. The only real open spots I can see are on top of the Mk 10 houses.

Also I'm not entirely sure a helideck is warranted on a AAW cruiser. Virginia had hers occupied by ABLs after all.

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 6:25 pm
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Welcome aboard Kattsun.
Kattsun wrote:
I certainly could, but I prefer arm launchers, since I've been told they're easier to reload at sea (I am not sure if this applies to Mk 26 and Mk 10, but presumably it is for Mk 7 Talos since it has a horizontal strikedown) and the firing rate of the Mk 26 is almost the same as VLS' sustained 30 RPM. Either way, I prefer the look of the arms as opposed to VLS.
There is no way a single Mk 26 can get a firing rate anywhere near 30 RPM, while a single Mk 41 8 cell pack can hit 24 RPM. While shooting full rate on adjacent 8 cell packs is something I (in a purely amateur opinion) would try to avoid (I keep seeing missiles hit each other as they leave the tubes), you can easily keep up a nice high rate of fire until you've shot your cells dry.
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Both missiles are Typhon. The larger is RIM-50LR, the smaller is RIM-55MR. I couldn't fit all the details in SB scale so I had to sacrifice some. And surely RIM-50/55 could be used to engage surface vessels and targets in a similar way Talos, Standard, etc. have been for decades?
Ah! We have Typhon LR:

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Typhon MR would be represented with a changed nose coloration on either Tartar or on Standard (Typhon being called initially Super Tartar/Talos).

And yes, targeting a surface ship that is in radar range would have been possible and a standard mission profile.
Kattsun wrote:
Really I'm mostly interested in finding out what systems are missing from the masts, what I should do about my obnoxiously flat deck, and if six arm launchers is workable with three illuminators assuming the missiles time-share since it's an AEGIS ship etc or if I should have one illuminator per launcher.
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Well, this gets into some interesting problems because Typhon is a Track Via Missile System while AEGIS isn't. You'd be better off with more (6 or 8 face) larger phased arrays to provide the search and track capabilities. I've rolled the idea around in my head a few times, but It isn't the easiest thing to develop. So yeah, you are going to need some other form of air search (SPS-49* or some phased array set on the same bands), and you'll need to re-evaluate the guidance situation.

* Oh, hey, you've got the Planar version right there on the aft mast.

On other things: That bow is going to need a total rework, but you've got a good first drawing (certainly better than mine!)

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Post subject: Re: AAW Cruiser v:Posted: September 10th, 2012, 6:31 pm
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There's also the minor issue that Typhon didn't work.

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