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This is for NS, so the systems are all different from systems IRL. The system I based off of the I-Mast family is the ISATS-N systems which stands for Integrated Search Acquisition and Targeting System, Navigation, which is essentially a beefed up version of the I-Mast.

The funnel however, will be lowered

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EDIT: Funnel lowered for better ISATS-N operation

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First of all, hello again folks. Its been awhile, but exams and summer has kept me away. I'm back now, and ready to spam the board! I'd like to begin with a new design I'm working on, the Entas class destroyer. I wasn't happy with the last destroyer I made, and after an hour or two of toying around I figured it'd be better to scrap it and start a new one, which I did. I'm kind of happy with the Entas, but I feel that something is missing, notably above the Aegis system. Another problem I have, aesthetically, is the blocky look. While I understand that "stealth" ships are meant to be blocky to a certain extent, I feel that this ship's radar signature would be too significant for a ship of it's kind, although it would probably see enemy vessels before they saw it due to the set-up of modern fleets these days. Anyways, I come seeking advice from the hallowed halls of Shipbucket.



The cluster-duck of missiles is for NS purposes, and consists of 4 different systems; a close in SAM, a medium range SAM, a medium-long range SSM and a long range cruise missile. I shan't bore you with the names. Other than that, I think most of the weapons systems are in order, apart from the 30mm CIWS immediate aft of the Aegis system. Advice? Cheers.

PS: A lot of details regarding the set-up of the stern section of the ship, so everything aft of the funnel, are based on the AB class destroyer (USA). So the VLS systems above the hangars are actually located in between the hangars, not directly above them. I did this to save space, and therefore -I figured- the gross tonnage of the ship.

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Hahahaha that on will not work.

- To heavy on the bow.
- Armament that are no need for.
- CIWS in weird position.
- No Hangar.
- VLC in absolutely totally BAD position.
- And then radars in soo bad position, that there will even not be a single crew left on the ship after 10-20 minutes.

I don't have time to explain to NS-people, those a...

While I very much appreciate the critique from you, I think its a bit rude to give it the way you did. acelanceloet and TimothyC have always been very helpful, knowing that I happen to use these images on NS, however I come here and ask for critiques because apart from it looking nice, I'd like to be realistic. Furthermore, if you are going to criticize my being a member of the NS community, then you should do so in proper English, with proper grammar. I tutor children at school who have better grammar than you do. Again, I appreciate the points you gave, but I do not appreciate the manner in which you gave them. None the less, if you or anyone else wants to follow up on your points, please feel free to do so.

Cheers.

-So either lighten the load or extend the ship's bow?
-Which armaments? The Mistral missiles?
-Again, working on that. I figured re-arranging a lot of the ship would do the Entas good.
-There is a hangar, its that aft part of the main "block". If you read the post script, you would have known that.
-Could you explain why the VLC is in a bad position?
-I considered either making the systems present higher and smaller, or replacing it with something else.

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I'd say the bow design is not practical and hence, change the bow design instead of changing the armament. Those guns and launchers between the SPY-1 and funnel is totally redundant and you should remove it. You know your rear VLS might potentially obstruct the hanger. The SPY-1 is also in a bad position. They have SPY-1 placed like this for a reason:

I'll try to help you out a bit later on, but for now.....
but this might help you.

this is about the maximum amount of weaponnery you could possibly fit on an hull this large, without giving up seaworthyness. that was only possible by an very small (maybe even too small, can tell you more about that later on, if you wish) sensor suite, non-ideal VLS positions (way too much at one position) and cramped crew spaces. these are only 64 cells btw. it is one of my own designs, but IMO she is close to what could actually be done.

gives you an idea of why your bow layout won't work

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I'am also from Norway but at my place we are a bit mad. (Beklager for det) My sentences was meant to be different but I have a autocorecture on this computer that correct everything I write and I forget to check what it is writing. But if I wanted to be nasty with you I would use all of those North Norway bad language (I am born in Tromsø so bad language is the first thing i learned up there)

But here you go. hope this help, don't think about grammar, I use only grammars on important letter soooooooooo....

For a ship this size you should look at Fridtjof Nansen class:




Basically ship of this size:

for deck:
- because MK-41 VLS is so heavy, you can have only about 32 to a 48 cell VLS nothing more.
- you must remember that weapons need place under deck.
- maximum a Lightweight 127mm gun. I don't know how heavy that one is, but you get the idea of how heavy that is.

Radar:

- for SPY-1 has to be mounted higher. (radiation, All radar is you'r microwave * 1000/10.000/100.000/1.000.000 times! so if you want to boil your crew... but look at the Norwegian frigate and see how high they have the radar placed.
- navigation and satellite communication. they can stay there for now

Amidship.

- you need two funnels. because you are going to have a lot of engine power. But today thanks to missile there are no need for higher speed than 26 knots.

Aft deck and hangar.

- You can't have MK-41 VLS there because it's to heavy and you will get serious top weight issue. Not the Norwegian frigate doesn't have it to. arleigh burk class are so much bigger and wider than this boat and that basically why it can. It is also mounted a bit lower.
- if you going for a ship with VLS on the center line with split hangar the you'r boat must be more than 22 meter wide. The Helicopter need a lot of space. Note that the Norwegian frigate with it's 16 meter only can have 1 Helicopter.
you don't need that high hangar
- you can have a ciws on the hangar as you have it now. you can support it by having two remote controlled 12,7mm on both side of the boat. you don't need more.

Other stuff:
- There are normal today and from the 80's to have torpedo tubes build in to the hull, but there are always someone that have other ideas... But if you's country is in north, have it build in to the hull.
Life rafts should be placed where you'r crew can get to them. Note those life rafts on the for deck will be destroyed in the first wave.

Armament:

Mistral missile doesn't work with SPY-1 Here you should use ESSM and Standard missile.
Russian gun, american radar, British missile and ... Here I would use on type of weapon. If you want something like American weapons, the you use american weapons and radars.

Note 1: look at how you did it on the Kormosk class, that's about what you can do to a ship like this.
Note 2: there are always best to use on system in the Navy, so you should use a similar system as you did on the Kormosk.
Note 3: SPY-1 need Illumination to guide missiles and gun.
Note 4: If you are going to use SPY-1 you should use the same SPY-1F that the Norwegian frigate is using, that is the biggest radar this hull is using.

But look at his and you see how much place things and stuff takes up under deck.
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You are from NS, but you are also from Stavanger and I am from Bergen. Do the math (2+2=5) hahaha just joking. But ....

Sorry for the late response, I've been busy over the last few days. I've read through all the comments, and thank you all for the advice. I'm thinking of drastically changing the design of the ship for a few reasons. First of all, the comments have shown me that a ship of this size cannot support the weaponry carried, so the ship will be larger. I'd like this ship to be a kind of tool to project Prizyetsa's sea-superiority across the seas, with a similar moral effect as the Kirov class, just smaller and way more practical. So to list a few of the changes I'll be making, here are the ones I'll be starting off with.

-Using the link provided by heuhen, I'll design the ship around the weapons systems first and then see how much room I have left for other things like magazines (for the guns), crew quarters and sensors.

-Tying into the first point, I'd like to do more research into the actual placements of VLS systems and apply that knowledge to the systems onboard. I figure that if I'm here to learn, I might as well learn in practice.

-Rethink the internal structure of the ship, and configure the hull accordingly. I figure I'll use existing drawings here as references, along with the link provided by heuhen to scale the drawing.

While I'm starting off with those three points, I figure I'll try making a drawing of a submarine as well. Its something I've never done before, and I think I'd like to try my luck at it. Any good examples you recommend or tips?

Thanks for all of the advice, I appreciate it!

heuhen: Eg komer fra sydden , men jeg bor her i Stavanger fordi mora min har en job her. Jeg elsker Bergen. Jeg har besøker ben byen og den festning og den Hansa museet vår fantastisk. (Still trying to learn Norwegian, so I'm sorry for the mistakes...)

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Hehehe And I am still trying to learn to be more stupid! btw. welcome to the real world....