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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 1:19 pm
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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 5:05 pm
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Getting better.
~Anchor is way too small and should be located farther aft.
~The VLS bay above the hanger will not work, it is not an accessory that sits on top of the deck, it goes down below to a depth slightly larger than the missile.
~The funnel should be higher and if the structure behind the bridge is also a funnel, they should have similar tops.
~The window on the peice sticking out of the hangar should be outlined in black. Also, the window colors are wrong as are your doors, which can be found on the "Equipment" part sheet on the main site.
~I'm not too sure about how deep the underwater hull is, it should probably be shallower.
~I don't think that's a good position for the launcher aft of the helo pad, and I think the missile is redundant anyways. (Someone correctme if I'm wrong on this.)
~You're still not shading right. The propeller shafts and underwater hull should be the same color. Along the bottom of the hull there should be a line of a darker shade (look at the rudder and you'll see what I mean).
~The rudder and propeller are way too small for this monster (if you remove some draught of the underwater hull this issue will start to go away).

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bezobrazov
Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 7:43 pm
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Ok, too deep underwater hull, like Raxar said. Also, do you have one shaft only, or is it meant to be two? As it's drawn it shows one shaft, not two. I cannot enough emphasize the importance of thinking through your drawing before declaring it finished. Your weapons systems does not make sense. You have the various system placed at the most inconvenient and oddest spots, such as what Raxar already pointed out to you. And there's certainly that redundant ESSM (Sea Sparrow) launcher just forward of your second stack. why? To design viable ships, especially men-o'-war, the question never is how much weaponry can I cram into te hull, but rather a strive or effort to achieve the most balanced compromise. In your ship's case, it would not be able to fight efficiently if at all due to weapons conflicts. Neither will its sail very well, its deep - too deep, draft dragging it, causing it to use up its fuel while dropping in speed. If the weather gets bad, the puny "anchor" at the bow won't do any good, except maybe tearing of the bow from the hull. Harsh criticism, I know, but we stumble across these issues all the time in this forum. At least you do seem to have an ambition to becoming better and grow.

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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 8:35 pm
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You can remove the middle phased radar array without any effects on radar coverage.


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alejandro
Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 9:35 pm
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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 9:39 pm
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may I suggest you to start with the hull, then the powerplant, then the weapons and then the structure? that would make you stop running into lots of problems.

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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 10:43 pm
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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 11:10 pm
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Ok, getting better, but you still have only one (1) shaft for a ship that is about 165 meters long. Do you intend for it to crawl up to the enemy at a leisurely 15-16 knots, since that's what your ship probably will make. Again, I emphasize: think before posting - and read carefully all the useful advice you're receiving!

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Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 11:15 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
- and read carefully all the useful advice you're receiving!
If I may say, the advice he's getting is very complicated.

He's got the basics down but he keeps getting the details wrong. I honestly don't know how to coach him through that, other than practice, practice, practice.


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bezobrazov
Post subject: Re: REINO DE ESPAÑAPosted: July 29th, 2012, 11:30 pm
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Klags, you may be right, but I don't know any other way of telling him. As for other advisors I will not judge theirs, but as you know, as I know too, ship design is not just a feat of stacking stuff on a hull, but yes, practice through perfection is a sensible advice and I second that.

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