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ok, i moved the surface search radars on the mainmast (replacing the Type 992), as for the Brtish 1022 it would remain up there until i've drawn myself something that looks similar; the original idea (dating back 10 years) was to stand for a new/different/sperimental radar system wich i never decided it's purpose (afterall i was and still i am a total rookie when it come to radars); that's the results however:

did i miss other crew-grilling radars?

made a quick cut&paste wich resulted in a shorter hull (and in turn in a higer magazine capacity, increased range and a little less crew numbers)

the fore and aft parts of the superstructure looks a bit bland now without the 8-inchers, i'll need to detail them a bit.

oh, and the specifications from the short-hull version too...

BB-79, USA Battleship laid down 1948 (refitted in 1980)

Displacement:
102.618 t light; 110.154 t standard; 123.186 t normal; 133.612 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.128,32 ft / 1.087,60 ft) x 154,20 ft x (39,37 / 42,13 ft)
(343,91 m / 331,50 m) x 47,00 m x (12,00 / 12,84 m)

Armament:
8 - 21,97" / 558 mm 50,0 cal guns - 5.612,02lbs / 2.545,57kg shells, 180 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1948 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 5,00" / 127 mm 54,0 cal guns - 67,23lbs / 30,50kg shells, 650 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 46.510 lbs / 21.096 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 22,0" / 558 mm 589,47 ft / 179,67 m 14,90 ft / 4,54 m
Ends: 2,24" / 57 mm 127,95 ft / 39,00 m 21,46 ft / 6,54 m
370,18 ft / 112,83 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 8,74" / 222 mm 589,47 ft / 179,67 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 83% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
7,91" / 201 mm 589,47 ft / 179,67 m 37,83 ft / 11,53 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 147,64 ft / 45,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 27,0" / 687 mm 17,3" / 439 mm 17,4" / 443 mm
2nd: 2,52" / 64 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 7,17" / 182 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 24,09" / 612 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 293.287 shp / 218.792 Kw = 31,00 kts
Range 12.000nm at 21,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 23.458 tons

Complement:
3.287 - 4.274

Cost:
£70,260 million / $281,041 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 7.435 tons, 6,0%
- Guns: 7.435 tons, 6,0%
Armour: 40.478 tons, 32,9%
- Belts: 10.811 tons, 8,8%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 6.529 tons, 5,3%
- Armament: 8.955 tons, 7,3%
- Armour Deck: 12.898 tons, 10,5%
- Conning Tower: 1.285 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 7.167 tons, 5,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 46.818 tons, 38,0%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 20.569 tons, 16,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 720 tons, 0,6%
- Hull above water: 360 tons
- Above deck: 360 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
210.950 lbs / 95.685 Kg = 39,8 x 22,0 " / 558 mm shells or 52,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24
Metacentric height 14,2 ft / 4,3 m
Roll period: 17,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,653 / 0,662
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,05 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 35,62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 44,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 25,10%, 37,07 ft / 11,30 m, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 24,20%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 20,70%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Average freeboard: 25,96 ft / 7,91 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59,7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 189,2%
Waterplane Area: 132.178 Square feet or 12.280 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 293 lbs/sq ft or 1.430 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,06
- Longitudinal: 0,99
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room


Missile suite and CIWS are the same as the first version

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The only problem I can see is very small... I would flip the left tomahawk since they both face other way.

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Outdated Mk.37 and Mk.51 directors... because someone refuses to let others update the US parts sheet.

Also, not necessary to credit me for parts.

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Im stupid and dont know who "someone" is

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Somewhat doubtful it'd be healthy to fit strike length VLS where you've got 'em (both doubtful you'd have the space and think mounting them that high in the ship could do unpleasent things to her centre of gravity)... suggest perhaps cutting 'em back to either tac length (SM-2MR sized) or self defense length (ESSM sized). On the bright side, doing so does justify the use of the Tomahawk box launchers you've already got aboard.

Also, radar fit, specifically the Aegis sets... you've got two covering each beam but none covering fore and aft. Either you need to modify the superstructure so the ones you've already got are mounted ~45 degrees off the bow and stern or else add another two plates pointing fowards and aft.

There's also what looks like a WW2 to early 1960s vintage radar you've got at the top of the bridge... doesn't really go with the more modern systems you've got elsewhere. I'd suggest finding something more consistent with them to replace it with (either that or rework the ship into it's 1940-50s configuration, but that's probably more effort than you'd want).

RAM launchers probably should be moved further apart or possibly cut back to one per side.

So, good first attempt at drawing but details of the ship's systems need quite a bit more thought...

I'd say if your ship is built in 1950s, 5"/54 Mk.42 and 3"/50 Mk.22 instead of 5"/38 Mk.12, Bofors and Oerlikon. For modern conversion, VLS would definitely be nice, BTW you should mount SPY-1 on the four corners or the four sides of the superstructure instead of having four all facing the port & starboard.

i will take a look at the VLS and think about your suggestions, but actually those 247 cells she have are just what the space allows it to have, i've figured it out looking at the VLS modules dimensions and the top view of the ship (i had drawn her on paper first 10 years ago when i was 15 with a side, top and front view); and for stabilty, i know springsharp is not infallible when it comes of ship designs, but i've thrown 720 extra tons above the waterline for the VLS and CIWS systems and still he says to me that she has a stabilty of 1,19 (out of a required minimum of 1), without the VLS she has 1,20.
yeah, i've figured out a couple of time ago that the SPY systems don't work quite well unless i place them in a Ticonderoga (90°) or a Burke configuration (45°), i'm still trying to figure out how to rearrange the phased arrays; going for the 45° would require quite a massive rework of the two fire control towers, the 90° setup is easier forward because i would only need to put one more SPY-1 on the front, but then i would not know where to place the one facing aft...
the explanation behind the Type 1022 radar is a bit complex and silly, but can be reassumed with a little copy/paste/editing of some of my older posts: and for the 1940-50s configuration, i have already done her as she looked in 1951 as launched (in a fictional WWII that lasted from 1940 to 1953), you can find the drawing near the bottom of the previous page
cutting one RAM could be more pratical, i don't know where to move it otherwise.
anyway, thanks for your suggestions, constructive criticism is always welcome

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well'after a little break it's time to present you the second unreasonably oversized battleship , a Japanese one this time...

Her story is a little different: i had drawn the hull on paper around the same time as the american one (10 years ago), but the drawing went lost (thanks to my grandma) among all the other ones except BB-79, so i "replaced" her with another drawing, this time made with paint, and based on another one found in the internet; the original (and not mine) went lost about 5 years ago in a hard-drive crash, but my edited copy survived up to this day:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/60 ... 95bis.png/

What remains of the original one are just the two fire-control towers, i made modification to both main and secondary battery, funnels, mainmast and rangefinders; i also redrawn both bow and stern and added the entire underwater hull.

Obviously this drawing was not in shipbucket style, but surprisingly it was almost precisely in shipbucket scale, so a full-scale conversion was completely within my possibilities; using ALVAMA's beautiful drawings of IJN ships as references, and parts sometimes ( ) i managed to convert her to the point where only details, the aft crane with it's planes and railing remain to be placed.
So i present to you all the second big, insane and oversized battleship: IJN Muteki Nippon




the usual Springsharps specs:

IJN Muteki Nippon, Japan Battleship laid down 1946

Displacement:
114.994 t light; 122.010 t standard; 129.708 t normal; 135.867 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.218,67 ft / 1.186,02 ft) x 155,84 ft x (37,73 / 39,25 ft)
(371,45 m / 361,50 m) x 47,50 m x (11,50 / 11,96 m)

Armament:
12 - 20,00" / 508 mm 50,0 cal guns - 4.234,56lbs / 1.920,76kg shells, 130 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1946 Model
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 6,10" / 155 mm 65,0 cal guns - 125,98lbs / 57,14kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1946 Model
2 x Triple mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 raised mounts
2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 double raised mounts
32 - 5,00" / 127 mm 65,0 cal guns - 69,30lbs / 31,43kg shells, 470 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1946 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
2 raised mounts
10 x Twin mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
2 raised mounts
201 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 0,52lbs / 0,24kg shells, 790 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1946 Model
40 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
27 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
9 double raised mounts
4 - 0,51" / 13,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 0,08lbs / 0,03kg shells, 1.410 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1946 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 54.649 lbs / 24.788 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 20,0" / 508 mm 652,82 ft / 198,98 m 14,99 ft / 4,57 m
Ends: 6,10" / 155 mm 68,90 ft / 21,00 m 14,99 ft / 4,57 m
464,30 ft / 141,52 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 7,87" / 200 mm 652,82 ft / 198,98 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 85% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
3,07" / 78 mm 652,82 ft / 198,98 m 36,22 ft / 11,04 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 149,28 ft / 45,50 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 25,6" / 650 mm 18,0" / 457 mm 15,0" / 380 mm
2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 0,98" / 25 mm
3rd: 0,98" / 25 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 7,64" / 194 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 21,97" / 558 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 279.363 shp / 208.405 Kw = 30,00 kts
Range 7.200nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 13.858 tons

Complement:
3.416 - 4.442

Cost:
£76,478 million / $305,912 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 9.576 tons, 7,4%
- Guns: 9.576 tons, 7,4%
Armour: 37.940 tons, 29,2%
- Belts: 10.797 tons, 8,3%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2.687 tons, 2,1%
- Armament: 8.836 tons, 6,8%
- Armour Deck: 14.407 tons, 11,1%
- Conning Tower: 1.213 tons, 0,9%
Machinery: 6.977 tons, 5,4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 60.231 tons, 46,4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 14.714 tons, 11,3%
Miscellaneous weights: 270 tons, 0,2%
- Hull above water: 270 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
209.988 lbs / 95.249 Kg = 52,5 x 20,0 " / 508 mm shells or 40,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
Metacentric height 14,3 ft / 4,3 m
Roll period: 17,3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
an extended bulbous bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,651 / 0,655
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,61 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 34,44 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 41,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,98 ft / 0,30 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 27,00%, 36,42 ft / 11,10 m, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m
- Aft deck: 22,00%, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m
- Quarter deck: 21,00%, 23,62 ft / 7,20 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,25 ft / 7,39 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 61,9%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 186,7%
Waterplane Area: 141.720 Square feet or 13.166 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 356 lbs/sq ft or 1.739 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,28
- Longitudinal: 0,91
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room


I would appreciate some suggestions regarding what can i put on top of the conning tower in place of that orrendous rangefinder (the one in dark grey) wich is, for now, the only thing retained from the original drawing linked above.


Also, a little preview, i'm at the moment working with another battleship, this time within reasonable dimensions, "only" around 240-250 meters, and using parts drawn only by myself except for equipments on the parts sheet.
Still a Massive WIP, so not even a template for now (and while we talk about it, where i can find the updated ons? i read somewhere that the ones in the main site are outdated, and can't remember right now where i found the XXL one, wich is not suitable for a ship 100-120 meters shorter than my previous monsters).


comments, suggestions and constructive criticism are welcome.

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for SPY-1:have one on the aft mast pointing aft and one pointing to starboard, on the forward tower have one pointing forward and on to port.

for VLS. thus higher up you have it thus heavier is it! 720 tons can be something that are mounted on the hull just 1 meter above the water or 5 meter. But when 15-20 meter above water it can fill like 2000 tons (that how the physics is) (somewhat you can say that you can take the weight of the VLS * the distance above center of gravity * gravity = the force the VLS is pushing on the ship! it's a wired way to say it but it's simple, and not totally correct but it work as an example of why it doesn't work!)

Much like Tico's setup, quite easy to implement i must admit, my only concern would be about the aft-facing array, wouldn't it's field of view beign impaired by the ABL, harpoon launchers and DP guns director placed aft of it?
Thaks, now i understand better; i will cut the VLS down to ESSM only (maybe adding a bunch of RIM 156/161) and check if i can lower it by a deck to improve stability.

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