Oversized Battleships by BB1987

Hi all, i have joined this forum abouth two moths ago, but since then except for a non-shipucket kitbash of HMS Hood (mostly on-hold/scrapped now) i've mainly been a lurker and nothing more, now i want to finally post something.

First of all a little recap about myself:
i'm a 25-years-old guy from Italy who has always been interested in battleships, everything began with a book called "a guide to battleships: from the beginning to now" (or "guida alle corazzate: dalle origini a oggi" if you prefer in my mother toungue) when i was still a child, searching pictures was the next step, drawing WWII styled warships on paper becomes the third and Internet the fourth one (last but not least i can say).
Recently i've found again one of those old hand-drawn ships wich dates back about 10 years ago (a nice suprise as i was certain to have lost them all when my grandma thrash them away thinking they where just scratch-paper

) and decided to convert her into a computer drawing, discovering Shipbucket around the same time was another nice coincidence.

Now about the drawing:
She is big, insane, unreal, concieved in a loose-AU where WWII last longer that allowed every battleship up to the Montana-class to be built, and as you can see it's a strange mix betheen an American and a Japanese battleship, hull and superstructure are clearly american, but the fire-control tower screams IJN (this happens when you are a 15-yeas-old pagoda-mast-lover), also the main radar comes from the british parts sheet

, i simply don't like how the american radar looked on top of her, so i took the liberty of putting something more "eyecandy" up there, as a fictional work i can always pretend that is an experimental new system

(and that's not so far from the idea i had when i was drawing this monster years ago).
Most of the drawing is complete, what still is lacking is detailing and shading, so i've not yet cleared the template of most of the guns and parts (you can see how i kitbashed the propellers to get something more fit for the ship's size and how i managed to overcome some design errors when changin from paper to paint, like the guns beign the right lenght but the turrets beign too small for their calibre); i've also taken the funnel from Midnightnova's USS Massachussets and the Refit-Iowa battleships radars from Paul2011's USS New Jersey, hence the credits, the other radars comes from the parts sheet (if you spot something that is not there let me know, because most of the missile-oriented radars are basically the same mounted on the Arleigh Burke destroyers wich i used as a reference).
Because i'm a bit used to hull shapes and weapons arrangement but i'm a total rookie when it comes to radars and electronics i would also like to know if i can put the antenna marked under "Paul2011 BB-62 systems" on the back of the funnel or if the smoke would hamper it's functionality.

Finally here is she

And her specs: (according to springsharp she works

)

BB-79, USA Battleship laid down 1948 (refitted in the 80's)

Displacement:
111.166 t light; 117.735 t standard; 128.946 t normal; 137.915 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.179,17 ft / 1.138,45 ft) x 154,20 ft x (39,37 / 41,64 ft)
(359,41 m / 347,00 m) x 47,00 m x (12,00 / 12,69 m)

Armament:
8 - 21,97" / 558 mm 50,0 cal guns - 5.612,02lbs / 2.545,57kg shells, 130 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1948 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
15 - 7,99" / 203 mm 55,0 cal guns - 275,51lbs / 124,97kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1939 Model
4 x Triple mounts on side ends, evenly spread
5 raised mounts
1 x Triple mount on centreline, forward deck centre
1 double raised mount
24 - 5,00" / 127 mm 54,0 cal guns - 67,23lbs / 30,50kg shells, 450 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 50.642 lbs / 22.971 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 22,0" / 558 mm 637,53 ft / 194,32 m 11,61 ft / 3,54 m
Ends: 2,24" / 57 mm 127,95 ft / 39,00 m 21,46 ft / 6,54 m
372,97 ft / 113,68 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 8,74" / 222 mm 637,53 ft / 194,32 m 11,29 ft / 3,44 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
7,91" / 201 mm 637,53 ft / 194,32 m 37,83 ft / 11,53 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 147,64 ft / 45,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 27,0" / 687 mm 17,3" / 439 mm 17,4" / 443 mm
2nd: 7,87" / 200 mm 3,50" / 89 mm 3,50" / 89 mm
3rd: 2,52" / 64 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 7,17" / 182 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 24,09" / 612 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 297.652 shp / 222.048 Kw = 31,00 kts
Range 11.090nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 20.180 tons

Complement:
3.402 - 4.423

Cost:
£76,133 million / $304,534 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 8.567 tons, 6,6%
- Guns: 8.567 tons, 6,6%
Armour: 42.190 tons, 32,7%
- Belts: 10.270 tons, 8,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 7.061 tons, 5,5%
- Armament: 9.785 tons, 7,6%
- Armour Deck: 13.749 tons, 10,7%
- Conning Tower: 1.325 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 7.274 tons, 5,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 52.415 tons, 40,6%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 17.780 tons, 13,8%
Miscellaneous weights: 720 tons, 0,6%
- Hull above water: 360 tons
- Above deck: 360 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
215.853 lbs / 97.909 Kg = 40,7 x 22,0 " / 558 mm shells or 54,4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
Metacentric height 13,3 ft / 4,0 m
Roll period: 17,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,653 / 0,660
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 36,37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 44,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 24,00%, 37,07 ft / 11,30 m, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 26,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 20,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Average freeboard: 25,90 ft / 7,89 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59,6%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 191,3%
Waterplane Area: 138.358 Square feet or 12.854 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 315 lbs/sq ft or 1.540 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,12
- Longitudinal: 0,96
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Missile suite:
16 RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missiles in 4 quadruple launchers (plus reloads)
24 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles in 6 armoured box launchers (plus reloads)
5 VLS Mark-41 systems (1 61-cell module, 2 64-cell and 2 29-cell; total 247) containing:
-64 RIM-156 standard anti-air and anti-ship missiles
-64 RIM-161 standard ballistic missile defense missiles
-55 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles
-256 RIM-162 ESSM anti-missile and anti-air missiles (64 quadpacks)

Close-in Weapons Systems:
4 Phalanx CIWS
4 Rim-116 RAM launchers (each containing 21 missiles for a total of 84, plus reloads)
10 Corvus Chaff launchers (80 barrels)

I will also try to make her in her 1948 configuration (or as launched, thats how i drawn her back then)

apart from the mix of ABL and VLS, the use of VLS in general, RAM, harpoon, the SPY-1 arrays and the fact that I seem to dislike huge battleships...... quite nice!
I would like to see her with no post-1960 systems on board......

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Yeah, very nice for a first attempt. The only comment I have is that the US Navy was fairly adamant back then that all of its ships had to fit through the Panama Canal, so it's unlikely that they would have designed or built a ship that wide.

travestytrav25 wrote:

Pscht. Details.

Well, there is always the Montana class. Granted, they weren't built, but it was for a different reason.

Well, except the fact that it's insane and oversized

, it looks really good. While others might disagree, I think the 8" guns as secondaries makes sence, since they can cause quite some damage on most ships, making sure you won't have to waste the main guns' shells for dealing with cruisers and the like.
Even though you've used several people's work, I think you've blended them into each other quite harmoniously.
Job well done, IMO.

Yes, the Montanas where supposed to be 37 meters wide, if built they can't go through the panama canal.

acelanceloet wrote:

I would like to see her with no post-1960 systems on board......

you will, i'm working on her.

and thanks guys for the comments, forgive me if i repeat a question:

Quote:

i would like to know if i can put the antenna marked under "Paul2011 BB-62 systems" on the back of the funnel or if the smoke would hamper it's functionality.

thanks in advance

Even though it is crazy and impractically huge, I really like this. It looks like a design cross of American, Japanese, and a little bit of German ship design. Looks good so far.

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my concern is overlapping systems.

heuhen wrote:

my concern is overlapping systems.

VLS and ABL like Acelancelot said? or i have redundant radars/electronics?

BB-79 as launched in 1951 (credited Colosseum for the 40mm Bofors and alaska radars)

and her specs:

BB-79, USA Battleship laid down 1948 (as built)

Displacement:
110.398 t light; 117.392 t standard; 128.946 t normal; 138.190 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1.179,17 ft / 1.138,45 ft) x 154,20 ft x (39,37 / 41,71 ft)
(359,41 m / 347,00 m) x 47,00 m x (12,00 / 12,71 m)

Armament:
8 - 21,97" / 558 mm 50,0 cal guns - 5.612,02lbs / 2.545,57kg shells, 130 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1948 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
15 - 7,99" / 203 mm 55,0 cal guns - 275,51lbs / 124,97kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1939 Model
4 x Triple mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
1 x Triple mount on centreline, forward deck forward
1 double raised mount
24 - 5,00" / 127 mm 54,0 cal guns - 67,23lbs / 30,50kg shells, 500 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 raised mounts
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 double raised mounts
152 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 56,0 cal guns - 2,11lbs / 0,96kg shells, 2.000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1941 Model
8 x 4 row quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
30 x 4 row quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
30 double raised mounts
76 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 0,27lbs / 0,12kg shells, 9.000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1941 Model
54 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 raised mounts
22 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
22 double raised mounts
Weight of broadside 50.985 lbs / 23.126 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 22,0" / 558 mm 637,53 ft / 194,32 m 11,61 ft / 3,54 m
Ends: 2,24" / 57 mm 127,95 ft / 39,00 m 21,46 ft / 6,54 m
372,97 ft / 113,68 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 8,74" / 222 mm 637,53 ft / 194,32 m 11,29 ft / 3,44 m
Main Belt covers 86% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
7,91" / 201 mm 637,53 ft / 194,32 m 37,83 ft / 11,53 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 147,64 ft / 45,00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 27,0" / 687 mm 17,3" / 439 mm 17,4" / 443 mm
2nd: 7,87" / 200 mm 3,50" / 89 mm 3,50" / 89 mm
3rd: 2,52" / 64 mm - -

- Armoured deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 7,17" / 182 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 24,09" / 612 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 297.652 shp / 222.048 Kw = 31,00 kts
Range 11.450nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 20.798 tons

Complement:
3.402 - 4.423

Cost:
£76,151 million / $304,603 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 8.653 tons, 6,7%
- Guns: 8.653 tons, 6,7%
Armour: 42.166 tons, 32,7%
- Belts: 10.270 tons, 8,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 7.061 tons, 5,5%
- Armament: 9.761 tons, 7,6%
- Armour Deck: 13.749 tons, 10,7%
- Conning Tower: 1.325 tons, 1,0%
Machinery: 7.274 tons, 5,6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 52.305 tons, 40,6%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 18.548 tons, 14,4%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
216.019 lbs / 97.984 Kg = 40,7 x 22,0 " / 558 mm shells or 54,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
Metacentric height 13,5 ft / 4,1 m
Roll period: 17,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,47
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a straight bulbous bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,653 / 0,661
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 36,37 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 44,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 24,00%, 37,07 ft / 11,30 m, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m
- Forward deck: 30,00%, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 26,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 20,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Average freeboard: 25,90 ft / 7,89 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 59,8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 191,3%
Waterplane Area: 138.358 Square feet or 12.854 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 315 lbs/sq ft or 1.539 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,12
- Longitudinal: 0,96
- Overall: 1,00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

i have another unreasonably big battleship (Japanese this time) on my worklist, she'll come within a couple of days or within a week (i'ts nearly finished but i have some real life related things to do first..)

The Type 1022 is a 2D air search radar. SPY-1 is a 3D air search radar. Whit the SPY-1 there are to some point no need for the type 1022

1022 is a British radar and SPY-1 is an american radar. you want to have one type of weapon system either British or Americans weapons and electronic.

The Type 992 radar do basically the same work as the type 1022, there are some difference but ...

and then you have some surface search radars in bad position. where they are placed they will grill the crew. (A radar is basically the same as a microwave just many times stronger)

Please toss the 8in guns. Their only function is to take up magazine space that could have been used for shells that would actually be useful, make fire control and spotting harder and take up crew that could be better put to use as damage control teams.

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