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Cruel2BEkind
Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile Frigate (Barracuda Class)Posted: July 10th, 2012, 6:47 pm
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This is the product of the all the comments you have, If you can help me with some more weapon systems that would be great :).
If not I can wait till Ace see's the new design and help me out.

I just need some of these questions answered. I would say this is 75% complete...

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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 6:49 pm
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I'm not sold on the radar mast but that doesn't necessarily mean its' technically incorrect. Regardless it's an astronomical step up in skill level.

Anyway going from bow to stern:

1. No. You actually can, but a ship this size wouldn't justify more anyway.

2. Likely SPG-62 or a radar egg.

3. You can go with MEROKA, RAM/SeaRAM or draw your own. The former three are on the parts sheet.

4. Fire Scouts yes (you can even use the Bell 406-based version though it's yet to be drawn), AH-63s not so much. It literally makes negative sense to base attack choppers on a frigate.

Yes, negative sense.


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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 6:52 pm
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Thank you that means so much :P

Maybe 3 ships after this I can leave this forum and go to Personal and Real designs...

Any other chopper ideas?

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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 7:26 pm
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Much better now. :)
I'll go from bow to stern too.
1) Perhaps You could add one more set of silos (that is, increase from 4 to 5) MAYBE, but I have some doubts about it;
2) Put there similar hind of stuff that is here:
http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?di ... erdahl.png
And note, that there is a small set of electronics on the hangar roof.
(I'm not entirely convinced about Your choice of particular model of radar mast, but perhaps this one is technically feasible, so maybe someone more competent in this stuff should comment);
3) As klagldsf wrote: something like Meroka or RAM.
4) Fire Scouts yes, AH-63 no. Normally helicopters aboard frigates are for antisubmarine duties first, then sometimes for anti-ship strike (Lynx with Sea Skua or Panther with AS.15TT or SH-60 with Penguin) or flying radar for guidance of ship-launched anti-ship missiles. Generally there is no point in putting land attack helicopters on a frigate.


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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 7:41 pm
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Yeah, much much better. Good basic design, so you can work on details now. Klag and Eswube offered great advice, so I won't add anything further, just work off their advice and hammer out the details. Your ship looks a lot like the French La Fayette class frigate, so you might wish to look at that and similar designs for inspiration and ideas.


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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 7:42 pm
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eswube wrote:
1) Perhaps You could add one more set of silos (that is, increase from 4 to 5) MAYBE, but I have some doubts about it;
There's no technical reason why you can't, but there's no mission reason why you'd want to.

Unless you can't fit a full Mk 41 block in (Erik can fill in more on this). Then it becomes a technical issue.


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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 9:10 pm
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Updated with....
-Extra missile silo
-Moved main cannon forward
-Added radar dome
-Side hull prop w/ Mesh
-My own version of anti missile warfare above helicopter hangar
-Added the Fire Scout and Panther (SA.365)

Can you see any other things i need that important until i can start thinking of missiles to put on it...

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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 10th, 2012, 11:47 pm
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More directors are needed but you a improving a lot
U need like probably one or two rear ones
One should be enough

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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 11th, 2012, 12:10 am
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Your bow thruster looks a bit large for a frigate. It's almost as large as your main props. Also, yeah, more missile directors. You should probably go ahead and choose what missile systems you're going to use, too.

And just FYI, it's a minor issue, but the current production model of the Eurocopter Panther is known as the AS565. The SA.365 is an older designation for the Eurocopter Dauphin, a similar, but different aircraft that the Panther was based on. The early production Panther models were known as SA.365K.


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Post subject: Re: Stealth Missile FrigatePosted: July 11th, 2012, 12:14 am
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Then for the helicopter the part sheet on the main page is incorrect.

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