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Post subject: Re: M.S Imperia. (My first Shipbucket-styled drawing.)Posted: June 18th, 2012, 4:25 am
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Welcome aboard Mike, and I do say, you know how to ingratiate yourself with me - the liners are a soft spot of mine (even if I do prefer the designs of the 50s and 60s to the 30s). I look forward to seeing more. :)
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I'm not that familiar with modern commercial liner propulsion systems, but ... why azipods? Why not standard props and rudder? From my uninformed laymans viewpoint that would seem just as efficient and much less costly, and commercial vessels do need to be concerned with cost I would imagine.
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I'm still tossing up different propulsion methods, and that's why I only included the waterline image above. Azipods have become renown for their unreliability (even on ships like QM2), however since Imperia is quite long (365 meters) , I believed a more dynamic form of control offering 360 degrees of movement to be necessary, and Azipods seem to give that degree of 360 control.
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What he said. Azipods and bow thrusters also mean that a ship doesn't need tugs to manuver into port, which reduces costs. This is more important with cruise ships that more often than liners visit smaller, unimproved ports, but it still helps. If you do decide to not use them, then the twin screw with bow and stern thrusters is probably the next best thing (I know you know this Mike, just saying it for others).
Ah. Well that makes sense then.

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Post subject: Re: M.S Imperia. (My first Shipbucket-styled drawing.)Posted: June 18th, 2012, 7:42 am
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TimothyC wrote:
Welcome aboard Mike, and I do say, you know how to ingratiate yourself with me - the liners are a soft spot of mine (even if I do prefer the designs of the 50s and 60s to the 30s). I look forward to seeing more. :)
Thanks for the kind words and the info, Timothy. :)
I think its clear that the benefits of azipods seem to outweigh the risks. Since the ship is make-believe, perhaps its safe to assume that there are make-believe azipods without flaws and failings? :P

@Clonecommander6454 Thanks for the heads up, I'll change the windows to blue when its done, as well as fitting it to the template etc.

More updates tonight!
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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 12:43 pm
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Very nice looking liner I'll have to say. I've got two liners of my own design that I've never posted here before as they are not ship bucket style plus a few more that I don't have profile images of.

Gotta love the look of these though. I'm not a fan of flat style sterns like that but they have to have them for fitting azipods (hence the QM2 has that ugly flat rear with stuck on spoon shape to give a slight resemblance to her older sisters.

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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 1:52 pm
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Gotta love the look of these though. I'm not a fan of flat style sterns like that but they have to have them for fitting azipods (hence the QM2 has that ugly flat rear with stuck on spoon shape to give a slight resemblance to her older sisters.
While they're part of the reason, the azipods aren't the only reason why transoms are used.
First of all, they provide a not insignificant boost in efficiency at the speeds cruise liners operate at. The loss of efficiency at lower speed is of little consequence since they spend so little time there.
Secondly, they give you a wider stern which is good since it gives you more space. More space = more passengers = more money.
And lastly, they are cheaper to build.

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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 2:57 pm
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Ah yes true enough. I also remember the Athena (beautiful ship) is fitted with a similar flattened transom from her original liner stern as it flattened the wake to improve efficiency or something along those lines.

EDIT: found a picture that shows this;
http://www.ukbirds.net/ultimatepelagics2007.shtml the first pic.
It's not pretty but it must work.

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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 9:40 pm
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I have tried to keep the most of part of the transom underwater purely for aesthetic purposes. :P
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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 10:01 pm
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Something like the QM2 with her hybrid stern?

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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 10:19 pm
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Yep, but QM2 has that ugly bulkhead (the transom) jutting out of the water, whereas I've tried to keep as much of mine underwater:
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Honestly, I think QM2 is an ugly ugly ship. :/
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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 11:15 pm
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Yep, but QM2 has that ugly bulkhead (the transom) jutting out of the water
Yes, and there's probably a very good reason for that. Naval engineers don't do things because they feel like it.


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Post subject: Re: Imperia-class liners by alotef.Posted: June 18th, 2012, 11:49 pm
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alotef wrote:
Yep, but QM2 has that ugly bulkhead (the transom) jutting out of the water
Yes, and there's probably a very good reason for that. Naval engineers don't do things because they feel like it.
I'm certain I heard the reason (something to do with volume and seakeeping) But the exact wording escapes me

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...initial intent was to make the ship's stern profile with a spoon shape, similar to that on most previous ocean liners, but the mounting of the propeller pods required a flat transom. The compromise was a constanzi stern – a combination of the two. The final design was agreed upon, as a Constanzi stern provides the transom required for azimuthal pod propulsors, and provides better seaholding characteristics in a following swell than a standard transom stern.

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