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Thiel
Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 17th, 2012, 5:06 pm
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Furthermore, we could sit here and discuss the utility of other arsenal ships, but that's aint the point right?
True, but then the Majestic isn't an Arsenal ship either. The Arsenal ship would have been little more than a powered barge stuffed to the gills with VLS cells. This ship clearly isn't.

Anyway, you can toss the armour since it won't do you much goo anyway and get rid of Mitch's unworkable insano CIWS.
If you're going to use SeaSparrow then get rid of the Sea Wolf or vice versa.
Is that a WWII era height finding radar I spot aft of the aft mast?
The faced array monstrosity looks plain bad
Carley floats and inflatable life rafts?
Speaking of liferafts, a 16 man raft weighs about 100kg. You do not want to carry those down a deck before you can put them in the water.
RAST gear on C-deck?

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 17th, 2012, 9:26 pm
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The Temeraire and the other Lion versions aren't going to work. Moderinizing a hull circa 1939 has many problems, some key ones are:
~Ridiculously high maintenence and overhaul costs
~After the WWII, they stopped making replacement parts
~The hull is going to be extremelly weak and brittle after 70 years
~It looks like you replaced the entire superstructure, it would be much simpler (and less expensive) to construct a new hull vs. working in a new superstructure on top of an old hull.
Also, the Tegetthof seems a bit dated for 1940.

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 23rd, 2012, 8:19 am
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I saw a ship in there with modern electronics, no noticable missiles, and several major-caliber gunmounts...What's the purpose of mounting what I think is an I-Mastish tower on a gunship? Aren't I-Masts less expensive Missile Guidance systems?

Also, any modernized WWII era ship is probably retired by the early-mid '90's at the latest. The Iowas, technically BBG's when retired after the Gulf War, were I'd imagine becoming a maintenance burden at the end. Even with modernizations, the best you could expect from a warship is about 50 years. If you really baby a ship, you can get a few more years out of it, but like people, ships deteriorate with age. Just ask the crew of the Enterprise. Ain't no cake walk keepin' the Old Lady steamin'

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 23rd, 2012, 1:24 pm
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Can I clarify? Canonically, they aren't WWII era ships, they are complete from the keel up new builds to the old plans made to suit 2012.
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I saw a ship in there with modern electronics, no noticable missiles, and several major-caliber gunmounts...What's the purpose of mounting what I think is an I-Mastish tower on a gunship? Aren't I-Masts less expensive Missile Guidance systems?
Point me to the ship please.
Alright gents, is everything that has credits really that godawful?


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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 23rd, 2012, 1:51 pm
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Austria wrote:
Can I clarify? Canonically, they aren't WWII era ships, they are complete from the keel up new builds to the old plans made to suit 2012.
That's not doable. You won't be able to fit in the power generating capacity a modern warship needs on a ship designed 50-60 years ago. Similarly, crew accommodation standards have risen significantly in the same timeframe, so you won't be able to fit the require crew in either.

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 23rd, 2012, 1:53 pm
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and of course, in the case of the guns, the technology to make the barrels no longer exists.... of course you could rebuild the entire fabrication chain, but why would you do that for an outdated weapon?
also, hulls of that era were designed to be armoured.... something that you'd better not do.

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 23rd, 2012, 2:49 pm
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Nothing like a good dose of handwavium....

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 24th, 2012, 10:59 am
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I'm sorry for being such a noob... but I've been taking advice off site and have updated both Majestic and Temeraire.
Anything else on these two that is still horribawful?


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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 24th, 2012, 11:09 am
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Austria wrote:
I'm sorry for being such a noob... but I've been taking advice off site and have updated both Majestic and Temeraire.
I'd find a different site to ask on.
Austria wrote:
Anything else on these two that is still horribawful?
I'm tempted to say all of it, but that would be rude, so for starters I suggest you take a look at my previous post.

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Post subject: Re: A bunch of NS vessels needing analysis and helpPosted: June 24th, 2012, 11:13 am
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yeah......
the belowdeck parts thread is filled with parts that are... well... belowdecks. meaning you can't see at least part of those drawings.
also, your guidance systems don't fit the weapon systems.
and of course, I see next to none of the abovementioned comments fixed.
to use your own words...
IMO, these 2 ships are still completely horribawful.

so basically, take a look in this thread (as thiel suggests) and never return to the site that gave you this advice.

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