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TimothyC
Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 5:12 pm
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Dilandu wrote:
Is the problem so catastrofical really?
Yes.

You can't build a TARDIS.

Your internal volume needs are not met by the given internal volume.

Keep in mind that Gyatt had just 14 rounds in the magazine, and no dedicated fire control channels. Also note that the refit of the destroyers was not continued, and the smallest of the double ended ships were the Leahy class.

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Dilandu
Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 5:14 pm
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brilliant. Nobody say anything definite, but the arrogant statement - "we are wasting our time" (!) Portsmouth Bill, you do not have occurred, that if some person can't understood something (partially due to language problems), then you still do not need to be rude with him ? Think about it.

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Dilandu
Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 5:18 pm
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I took the trouble to post a reasonably argued critique, and he can't be bothered to respond.
I took your criticism. If I forgot to answer, and this is so important for you - I would apologize. It's absolutely no reason to resent like that!

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Portsmouth Bill
Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 6:08 pm
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Well, what can I say.....


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Just put it down to a Captain Queeg moment. Meanwhile, I'll let you get on with it ;)


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Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 7:55 pm
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we could say, that this is exactly why I am drawing belowdeck parts. and also why I am working on an calculation sheet (although this is more for myself + the more serious members)
btw, what is not mentioned here if I see it correct, that is that the ikara also needs reloads.
also, you are going to run into top weight and weight issues. anything else to say? no, the others have said enough, and I follow them completely

also, LOL at timothyC, you can't build an TARDIS indeed :P

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Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 8:04 pm
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Dilandu did you save that one as a JPEG at any stage ? As regards to the ship itself to get Bloodhound aboard you really do need a bigger ship.Even if you stored the missiles without the fins and boosters you would need a lot of space to assemble them prior to launch.Simple answer if you really want to stick with that missile draw something of a genuine cruiser size.About 600ft.9,000-10,000 tons.I hope this helps.


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Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 8:53 pm
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Aside from the volume and weight issues that others have covered, there's also the missile itself. .
We'll ignore that it weren't designed with prolonged storage on board as ship in mind and focus on a much bigger issue. It wasn't designed to work with any type of automated reloading system. You'll have to make considerable structural changes before the conveyor system can even hold on to it. You'll also have to change how it's attached to the launcher, how it communicates with the targeting computer while there, how it's stored and how it's assembled. And lets not even get into the changes you need to make to the analog computers to acount for the fact that the launcher is moving.

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Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 9:37 pm
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On a positive note Dilandu, happy birthday.

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Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 12th, 2012, 9:54 pm
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Yeah happy birthday mate.Treat yourself and draw a nice big cruiser.Btw don't junk the drawing,you could still turn it into a decent asw ship with a towed array and heli deck aft and save top weight cos you won't need the big air search radars and directors.


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Post subject: Re: Pacific Confederacy missile destroyerPosted: June 13th, 2012, 3:49 am
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Dilandu wrote:
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You don't seem to understand how much space you're asking for. You can't fit something you don't have the space for.
Please explane: what the principal difference between the liquid-fuel ramget-powered "Talos" and liquid-fuel ramget-powered "Bloodhound"?
The difference isn't so much as what type of propulsion they use as so much as, for whatever reason, the missiles are not only different sizes (Bloodhound is significantly larger) but also the handling equipment. Long story short: Bloodhound is a much larger missile and generally too large to put on a ship. Or at least you'd need a very, very large ship - not a destroyer.

And honestly Talos isn't a small missile either. Look at the handling equipment on Long Beach, for example. All of that stuff on deck between the helicopter hangar and the forward superstructure with the large radar faces is just handling equipment.
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I can't realize because i can't understand the whole problem, that you mean as obvious.

We have a "Bristol Bloodhound", lenght 8,42 m, wingspan 2,83 m (can't we made them folded?)

And we have a "Talos", lenght 11,6 m, wingspan 2,8 m.

And also we have a "Terrier", lenght 8,25 m, wingspan 1,2 m.

Is the problem so catastrofical really?
Well now that I understand what you seem to be failing to understand better - it comes down to complexity and handling equipment. Terrier is a simple missile, but it's also got relatively short range (ESSM outranges it by a significant margin).


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