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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 3:22 pm
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I'd change the boat out to a motor boat. I've refined the Swedish ones, so I'll be happy to pm you the ones I've got and you can choose for yourself!
Please do. Anything to improve is very welcome :)
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Otherwise it's a rather smart, and, as it seems quite a roomy design! If I'd be Sven Andersson ( a legendary Swedish defense minister in the 1950s and 60s!) I'd procure six of this class!
Thank you! You're too kind! :D
I think my favourite part of these ships are how muscly they look though. In my mind at least, they've got a kind of a "Bring it!" attitude to their appearance.
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Agreed, a nice sleek design.
Thanks! :D
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Will they get an upgrade with SSM's and SAM's?
Yes, I have plans to equip them with SAMs in the early 60's and SSMs in the late 60's/early 70's, probably with an AU version of the RB-08.

Also, I'm currently working on a FAC for the destroyer flottillas. I'll probably post it at the same time as I post the soon to be updated Leionet.


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 5:47 pm
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I chose to keep the deck torp. mounts. I couldn't find any good sources for how/where to put any internal torpedos, and a lot of IRL DDs stayed with deck mounted tubes during the 50's.
You could go either way. You're right, a lot of postwar DD's kept trainable topdeck mounts. A few destroyers (mostly cruisers) had trainable torpedoes below decks, with a door that would go up when it's time to use them (see my CLAA drawing, for example). Many designs choose to do this specifically to keep the tubes out of the weather; might not be a bad option for Erikrike, considering.

As for fixed tubes, you have a number of options considering internal machinery/space; typically they were somewhere midships-stern-ish, or most commonly of all, at the stern, either facing sideways (so as I said, they'd just look like circular hatch-like objects) or actually facing out of and shooting out of the stern (so they wouldn't be visible on a side profile drawing period - the vast majority of modern warships with fixed tubes use this configuration, specifically).


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 6:56 pm
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Well, I've already decided in favor for the deck mounts. As said, many DDs kept using them post-war, and it wouldn't be nice to the sillouete either... ;)


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 24th, 2012, 1:16 am
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You did the right choice going with the deck mounts here, KHT! Also, check your mailbox!

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 24th, 2012, 5:00 pm
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I was thinking, and wanted to add a rack for illumination shells to the Leionet. I've made two that I feel happy, with, but I'm not sure which one to use. So I want to ask which one all of you think fits best? V1 or V2?
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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 24th, 2012, 5:05 pm
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is that an existing gun?
this might help btw :P
http://www.shipbucket.com/images.php?di ... alland.png
V2 looks best, but I do not know if this represents the real system best

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 24th, 2012, 5:26 pm
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Nope. Bofors has never designed a 14cm design of what I'm aware. This one is essentialy an enlargened 12cm M/50, something that should be evident of the turret.
Yes, I've looked quite a lot on Golly's Halland(and borrowed his 57mm guns, as well a his torps), but I weren't entirely content with his IS-rack, and so went through a few stages of making my own.


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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 25th, 2012, 4:01 pm
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Along with an updated Leionet(same post as earlier), I now give you a frigate(actually a rebuilt DE) and a FAC/large torpedo boat. I'm not as sure about these as I was with the DL, but can't think of anything more to add.
We kick it of with the frigate.

The Mjölner class was, like most of Erikrike frigates, actually a converted destroyer. The class was built en masse during WW2 for escort service, and was converted to frigates during the years of 1950-56, loosing the aft 105mm gun, and having it replaced with improved AAA and a 375mm AURAK M/50. They were never supposed to be part of the surface battle squadrons, rather providing ASW and, should the need arise, contributing with three extra barrels for AA. There was a suggestion to arm them with SAMs in the 60's, but this was denied, and they were all disarmed and decommissioned in 1969-70.
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The A-class (also known as the Altair class) was a series of six large torpedo boats, built to be part of the above mentioned surface battle squadrons, contributing with a salvo of six torpedos. Entering service between 1951 and 54, they were already a well trimmed and integrated part of the ErRN when the two Leionet DLs, supposed to lead the squadrons, came about. For a bit more than three decades they, along with their follow-on classes, would play an important role for the maritime defence of Erikrike. They would in fact be the fore-runners of most future smaller warships of their navy. Being old and tired by the time, they were either scrapped or sold in the last years of the 1970's, with the expection of Astrea and Arcturus , those two being preserved in different museums, the later lying just aft of her former squadron leader Kronorna at the national maritime museum.
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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 25th, 2012, 4:43 pm
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Fantastic work! It beget the question now more urgently than ever before: why the heck are you still in the Beginners Forum, instead of the Alternate U. Thread or Personal Design section? You definitely know your stuff and your drawing style, as far as I can judge is wholly satisfactory!

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Post subject: Re: Erikrike Post-war combatants.Posted: May 25th, 2012, 5:12 pm
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I haven't felt ready, I think. Plus, I've been a bit paranoid someone would just kick back any new thread in, for example, personal designs, into the beginners' forum again.
Btw, I think it's really these three designs that has actually felt like they realy are up to standard. The others have lacked something, IMO.
And, of cource, thanks a lot! :D


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