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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 20th, 2012, 10:59 pm
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ohhh now see i didn't now you had upgraded your FALs that changes things a bit and the rifle I was thinking of was the HK417 (btw are you FALs new build?)I'm gonna guess though that the HK will fit more into the SCAR category though.
Heh, going to pass on the HK-417 as well. It really doesn't do anything that a modernized FN can't. And yes, the FNs are still in production.
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the bren gun while I admit it does have an elan to it , its a bit outdated in my opinion especially if its using 303. when the rest of your army is using 7.62 (the bren can be converted though and in this form it soldiered on into the 90s with the British Army and you can probably get away with still using it)
The Bren is a bit of a take-the-piss measure. Modern regular infantry squads deploy FN MAG LMGs. I imagine the Guard Force units still have Brens, both in .303 and 7.62mm.
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and i hope my last sentence in my prior post didn't come off the wrong way there was no insult or anything intended with it (now that i read it again it may have sounded that way)
None taken, like I said I enjoy defending my ideas. ;)
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Colo, please tell me you have the Para Version of the FN-FAL drawn? Cause that would be purely awesome, as what I did with your original drawing was to "tacti-cool" it, but I agree, nothing beats a well built rifle over the plastech shit of today.
No, I haven't had the time to complete a Gunbucket scale accurate FN FAL yet and no para model either.
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Colo, why do you still have the Fremantle Class? The Armidale Class is considerably better as a a successor!
The idea is that the country can't necessarily afford to immediately replace every ship as a newer one becomes available... this isn't NationStates after all.

At any rate the smaller patrol boats and missile ships are due for a massive overhaul anyway.

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 20th, 2012, 11:04 pm
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Colo, why do you still have the Fremantle Class? The Armidale Class is considerably better as a a successor!
The idea is that the country can't necessarily afford to immediately replace every ship as a newer one becomes available... this isn't NationStates after all.

At any rate the smaller patrol boats and missile ships are due for a massive overhaul anyway.
Hmm maybe, but again Australia is already looking for the parameters for a replacement for the Armidale

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 20th, 2012, 11:10 pm
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3. Vehicles are vehicles -- what a HMMWV of 2012 does, a Jeep of 1942 can do similarly and more cheaply. Jeeps, Land Rovers, Hiluxes, and Land Cruisers as standard military utility vehicles and tracked Bren universal carriers for utility transport in the jungle areas (where roads are less passable). Unimog trucks and M35s for general transport. There is no pressing need for mine protection since NP's military doesn't execute counter-insurgency missions. Plus the old stuff is just cooler.
I'll have to disagree with you there. Cars of all types have come a long way over the last fifty years. True, a Jeep will get you there, eventually, but a HMMWV will do it faster, much more comfortable and it'll carry more gear while doing it. The Jeep might be cheaper, but don't count on it. Aside from having a terrible fuel efficiency, even compared to the HMMWV, you'll have to take several trips to deliver the same amount of gear and you'll have to manufacture all the spare parts yourself.
The Bren carrier is even worse.
I'm not saying you have to go for the newest of the newest, second line equipment makes sense if your enemy doesn't have anything better, but you're equipping yourself worse than North Korea here.

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 20th, 2012, 11:25 pm
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I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to retrofit modern power plants et al into a platform like the Universal Carrier or Jeep, but I'm not going to hand-wave it and say "we use an externally identical variant with modernized internals" because I know it doesn't work like that.

This is why I have modern Land Cruisers/Land Rover Defenders and Toyota Hiluxes in service as well. ;) I don't even think the Willys Jeep is listed on the army page anymore. The military doesn't operate in an environment where MRAP vehicles are required, so thin-skinned civilian vehicles with militarization upgrades are not too far-fetched.

Spare parts manufacture isn't an issue as these would all be built by companies in the country under military contracts. This is not RL Earth we are dealing with here.
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I'm not saying you have to go for the newest of the newest, second line equipment makes sense if your enemy doesn't have anything better, but you're equipping yourself worse than North Korea here.
It's why North Point is more interesting than the other "arleigh burke + F-22 + m1a2 abrams" countries.

Another thing is that this isn't about "winning" combats with other countries by minmaxing your military but rather about creating something believable and interesting given the game world.

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 20th, 2012, 11:28 pm
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Colo, why do you still have the Fremantle Class? The Armidale Class is considerably better as a a successor!
The idea is that the country can't necessarily afford to immediately replace every ship as a newer one becomes available... this isn't NationStates after all.

At any rate the smaller patrol boats and missile ships are due for a massive overhaul anyway.
Hmm maybe, but again Australia is already looking for the parameters for a replacement for the Armidale
Yes I get it, I'm just saying that I am reluctant to issue the country with all the latest in technology as it makes things boring and unrealistic.

Besides.. "At any rate the smaller patrol boats and missile ships are due for a massive overhaul anyway."

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 21st, 2012, 5:44 am
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I can see both sides of the coin here, honestly, and Knowing the origins of North Point, I see where you are coming from, Colo, but try to understand that not all services should suffer a small budget, and your navy, if you are an Island nation, should most definitely not suffer, your SDF is understandably set up that way, no need to have pointless crap when good old fashioned hard work will do the trick, but your Air Force and Navy should get the brunt of the budget allocated for defense, because you are an Island nation, you need to have a decent Air Force to destroy Paratroop transports, not saying you should have B-1Bs or F-22 or something, hell, use the Hawk Fighter/Interceptor/Trainer aircraft, they'll do the trick. And you are saying:
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"At any rate the smaller patrol boats and missile ships are due for a massive overhaul anyway."
Get that done, buddy, lol. I modeled the DC after North Point, and I am lucky enough to have you as a great guide. And I'll probably get rid of my armored forces, as like NP, DC is an Island nation. You are doing a great job with your nation, keep up the good work.

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 23rd, 2012, 3:22 am
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Well I have been really busy moving to Austin to start my new job, so updates on the NPSC will have to wait a while. ;)

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 23rd, 2012, 5:56 am
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Hey Colo, any plans on doing Enlisted ranks?

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 23rd, 2012, 11:28 pm
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Private - Corporal - Sergeant I imagine.

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Post subject: Re: Reworking North PointPosted: May 24th, 2012, 4:53 am
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Just thought I'd toss this out there for folks, This is a pretty good website to get ideas and inspiration for rank and branch insignia.

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