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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 4:45 am
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that and the design of the rudder plus probable under grade steel used for the rivets. Regardless this was an instance of extremely bed fortune with the worst possible outcome. If only the berg had been spotted a minute later, the titanic would have stayed afloat with a crumpled bow.


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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 6:56 am
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in the category a bit innapropriate: for the shipbuilding industry it was an somewhat good thing this happened. the titanic had no design flaws, she followed the rules entirely.... those rules said that 2 compartiments might flood before she sunk, and the amount of lifeboats was more then enough following those rules. since the disaster took so many lives, important lives nonetheless, every passenger liner build after the titanic is a lot safer. we don't know how many lives the titanic disaster saved, but the number is still rising every day.

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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 10:52 am
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Be fair to Capt. Edward J. Smith, though. Mastering such large, bulky vessels, with the rather primitive technology at the time was difficult at best. Size somehow overran technology.
Also keep in mind the great psychological stress he labored under, and I believe you may not have found anyone else doing much better.
No, the real culprit was the Board of the White Star Line with Bruce Ismay at its head...

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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 4:14 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
Be fair to Capt. Edward J. Smith, though. Mastering such large, bulky vessels, with the rather primitive technology at the time was difficult at best. Size somehow overran technology.
Also keep in mind the great psychological stress he labored under, and I believe you may not have found anyone else doing much better.
No, the real culprit was the Board of the White Star Line with Bruce Ismay at its head...
There are some persistent rumors saying that Ismay was saved because he boarded the life-boats dressed as a woman.
About the Titanic hitting the iceberg, one must remember that even at dead slow it takes time (and distance traveled) for a ship of this size to stop, or turn, so it it believed that the correct action to be taken was full astern with the wheel amidships, or so it is believed...

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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 4:30 pm
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as any disaster, of course murphy's law is usable. what if the ship had been traveling at an lower speed? what if the iceberg was spotted earlier or later? what if other ships were closer by? what if the SOS was send earlier? what if the iceberg warning was given through from the radio room to the bridge earlier? and most important, the designer was on board, he knew the ship was doomed after he had heard that more then the designed 2 compartments were hit.
as far as I know there were no mistakes made that are punishable by those days laws. not during construction, nor design, nor during the trip. we will never be able to say that anybody was at fault, and especially not to name that person.

we only know the regulations have changed, and there will never be that many lives lost in an disaster like that. still, an ship hit like the titanic was will still go down: the current regulations have an maximum of 3 compartiments flooded without going down, instead of all ships up to the titanic. the titanic was damaged in the 6 first compartiments. we can see this in the recent costa concordia, which was actually damaged less then the titanic.

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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 4:45 pm
Well Ace is true and right here!


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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 8:39 pm
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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 8:58 pm
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Murdoch should have rammed the iceberg then they would have only have suffered a crumpled bow.


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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 9:12 pm
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APDAF wrote:
Murdoch should have rammed the iceberg then they would have only have suffered a crumpled bow.
Oh the joy of back-seat drivers.

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Post subject: Re: Titantic CentennialPosted: April 16th, 2012, 9:21 pm
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No.

There was a case of a German? liner ramming an Iceberg and it only suffered a crumpled bow.


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