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Erusia Force
Post subject: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 9:33 pm
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I am Looking for modern designs for large scale naval weapons (16 inch preferably), in other words a modern style configuration for turrets. I am looking to modify one of my designs. If I use any designs I promise to include your name in work cited.
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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 9:45 pm
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as no guns of this size have been produced since the 50's IIRC, the technology of weapons like those is still the same as those on the iowa, montana, vanguard and lion designs.
as far as I can remember right now, this:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Ruyter_%28C801%29
is the ships with the biggest guns in the world right now. it was build in 1953, and while modernised, can no longer be considered an powerful opponent.
you could of course use big guns, but the fact is that they are outdated everywhere except on nationstates and in the head of fanboys. I would suggest to take a look at how modern warfare is fought ;)

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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 9:54 pm
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I understand, that is why I am also interested in AU designs which I know are floating out there somewhere. I could redesign them myself, but my mind is too scrambled at this point from honors chemistry, one of the reasons that I have not been able to turn out much of anything this past month.
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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 9:56 pm
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The only recent large caliber naval artillery pieces I'm aware of have been all been mortars such as the French 305mm ASW mortar which pulled double duty as a bombardment weapon.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 10:07 pm
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as far as I know, there is no sensible AU that has that huge guns new build after 1960. if you really want to use them: IMO they were developed as far as possible in WW2, maybe some differences with the use of new production methods and materials could be done in the turrets, the guns itself would essentially the same size. of course this weapon would only be usable for shore bombardement, and an very light mortar, 8 inch or 155mm cannon could do that job just as good.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 10:15 pm
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Actually the complexity, deliverable KE and even raw size of the AGS would qualify it as a big gun - if only just barely.

And the Mk 71 would count too, even though it was a WWII rifle on a new mount.
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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 10:25 pm
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This reminds me. I found this project a couple of years ago.
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In 1983-84 a 406 mm smooth-bore gun-launcher was proposed to (and rejected by) the VMF as a universal launcher for guided missiles, rockets and artillery shells against land/surface targets, for ships displacing at least 2000 t. Respective ranges were 250 km with an unspecified missile, 42 km with a 110 kg rocket and 10 km with a 120 kg shell. Rate of fire was 15 to 20 rounds/min with shells and 10 rounds/min with rockets. Total installation weight was 60 t, turret diameter 4 m, crew of 6. Barrel length was 6500 mm (16 calibres). Elevation from 30 to 90 degrees. The turret could rotate over 340 degrees.
From Оружие отечественного флота. 1945-2000, by Aleksandr Borisovich Shirokorad, Minsk, 2001 (also on some Russian websites lile militaryrussia.ru /military.tomsk.ru).
And in SB scale if anyone's interested.
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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 10:32 pm
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If you recall erik_t's super-battleships, he actually uses a more advanced form of this.
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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 13th, 2012, 11:50 pm
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klagldsf wrote:
If you recall erik_t's super-battleships, he actually uses a more advanced form of this.
Erik used VGAS (Vertical Gun for Advanced Ships), which is a totally different design.

This is closer to the vertical loading 155mm gun that got put forward in the 80's for fire support and eventually ASW.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Heavy Naval Gun RefrencePosted: April 14th, 2012, 7:18 pm
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One of our researchers produced a "modern monitor" designed to provide fire support using 16" rifles firing a range of ammunition natures - with extended range being of particular interest. The problem was the barrel life - which was about the same as the magazine capacity. RAS-ing barrels would be sporting.

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