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Obsydian Shade
Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 8:51 am
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Removed due to eye strain...

This is a depiction of a fully upgraded Adriane Klass Frigate, the RZMS Antigone, in an experimental paint scheme, which I don't think is going to catch on. It's packing a lot into a small frigate hull, but after Oozlefinch's OHPs, I don't feel as bad.... :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 9:18 am
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How about Cambridge Blue and Ash Grey? RGB (178, 190, 181) and RGB (163, 193, 173) respectively

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 9:42 am
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I ttied that combo, blends together too much. I'll try your battleship scheme next, and see how that works. It should look really good. :)

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 6:27 pm
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Please read the guide on how to properly apply camouflage: http://z11.invisionfree.com/shipbucket/ ... topic=1275

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 6:58 pm
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I'm probably just going to remove that one. It hurts my eyes too much when I look at this page.

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 7:12 pm
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Well, here it is Collosseum; you pointed out a new ship would be more cost effective, so I present the Vanguarded Alaska Klasse.

As the former Alaska Class Battlecruisers began to run down towards the early 1970s, the decision was reluctantly taken to scrap the vessels, and use their turrets and to build a new class of warship. No ship of this sort had been constructed since WWII, and many yards were reluctant to take the order, but finally, an Italian shipbuilder agreed to take the order, and the three battlecruisers showed their Italian heritage. Essentially, the hullform was an enlarged Alaska, but with heavier protection and the most modern machinery. The vessels serve a variety of roles and were given a through modernization 2007-2010 (Which this drawing isn't) returning to service just recently.
(In a hurry to get this posted, I know there are some minor problems, such as the limited firing arcs of the Mk 13 VLS, but that was the only place to put it at the time--mostly, it was intended as a Harpoon launcher, with AAW as a secondary capability)

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If it's close enough to cast a shadow, I think the flying house wins initiative.

Bronies are like the Forsworn. Everyone agrees that they are a problem but nobody wants to expend the energy rooting them out.

"That is a very graphic analogy which aids understanding wonderfully while being, strictly speaking, wrong in every possible way."


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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 7:38 pm
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Ok, in the mid 70's when this was designed, I could see the B turret being dropped and replaced with a Mk-26 GMLS (You've got some serious drawing errors around it anyway). By switching to the Mk-26 instead of the Mk-13 you gain 4 missile slots and the ability to shoot ASROCs. You also have AN/SPG-55s when you should have SN/SPG-51s

VLS is only used to refer to systems that store the missiles vertically and don't have a launcher arm. The general term is GMLS (Guided Missile Launch System).

I also presume you are going for a Virginia style hanger?

My personal preference might be to move to 5" secondaries, and if you want to use the Mk-13, you have enough beam to mount one each port and starboard.

I wouldn't mount both Mk-13s and a Mk-26 on the same ship, and if you already have a large number of Mk-13s on other ships, the reduction in capability might be worth the simplification in logistics.

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 7:46 pm
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I meant to use the GMLS term, but was typing in a hurry, and my fingers engaged before my brain. Her modernization I plan to replace the Mk 13 with a Mk 41 VLS if possible. The ship doesn't have a hangar, merely a big helopad. I figured the escorts could handle helicopter operations.

I'm debating if I want to make 1 or all of this class a nuke boat. I've been up all night with it, so I'm not for sure at this point.

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 7:57 pm
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The issue with replacing a Mk-13 with a Mk-41 is size. The Mk-13 is tiny, and has a very small footprint, so small that you can't even stick an 8 cell Mk-41 block in it's place without making the hole in the deck bigger. If you do put a VLS there you are going to only get 8, maybe 16 cells, and you will have serious interference with the electronics masts.

Edit: If you do go nuclear, you are going to lose that spot where you have the Mk-13 to a refueling hatch.

In the real world, the only people who have been willing to sell nuclear reactor tech for marine applications are the French (the even had an export SSN proposals in the 70's). The reactors didn't need fuel enriched to the same degree as other US or British designs, but did need to be replaced more often. They also needed larger access pathways to the reactor.

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Post subject: Re: Grand Duchy of PallamaraPosted: October 26th, 2010, 8:03 pm
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The masts will be removed for an array structure at the base of the tower. It should be high enough that the gun blast doesn't smash it. I don't have exact measurements for up there, but making a bigger hole in the deck should not be a problem.

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