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KHT
Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 10:31 am
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This is a mid-30' ship. The only BB built in this time period with torpedos was the Tirpitz, and they never came to real use of what I know. The torpedos was also only something that was slapped on, and not an standard part of the armament.
Well, the Japanese cruisers was about as ramchackle a ship can become. They focused on fire power, not protection.


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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 12:04 pm
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Cruisers, especially Heavy Cruisers of that time is noting close to protections. Lets reference on Pensacola and Duquesne Class about that... Japanese in the twenties and thirties are ramshackle. Fuso Class' Bridge, what happened to Tomozuru and those Treaty Cruiser are obvious examples. Torpedo onboard German Capital ships are normal, there's torpedo onboard Deutschland Class and Scharnhorst.


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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 12:09 pm
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Did the japanese use torpedo onboard battleships?

My weight limit is a problem the Tirpitz didnt have. I will probably remove the torpedos.


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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 1:36 pm
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"Ramshackle"? Regarding the treaty cruisers? I'd choose my words more carefully. Besides, do you even know what that word means? Anyway, in spite of often being referred slightly derogatorily as 'Tin Clads', the Treaty cruisers did all perform remarkably well: both US and IJN CA absorbing incredible amount of punishment ; the USS Chicago took six (!) torpedoes on either side before sinking, in Jan 1943. The older Japanese 'A'-class cruisers also showed a high degree of resistance and battle worthiness in the early, confused and bloody battles in the Pacific. Only the fact that they encountered three British battleships, at pointblank range (5,000 yds) prevented the Italian Zaras from performing at their maximum. Those ships, too, were outstanding vessels. - So, in other words, do not sell this concept short!

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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 1:48 pm
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Not to mention the two New Orleans class crusiers that got their bows blown off without sinking. The USS New Orleans had like 1/4 of her entire length blown off, but still she sailed to a nearby Allied base and had a temporary bow made.


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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 2:14 pm
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Well, they were London-Treaty cruisers, and so are not real "Tin Clads". Besides, overall, compared to the earlier Northamptons, the New Orleans-class, actually performed quite dismally. The Zaras, in all fairness, also belonged to the second generation heavy cruisers, I e post-London.

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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 6:42 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
"Ramshackle"? Regarding the treaty cruisers? I'd choose my words more carefully. Besides, do you even know what that word means?
Nope, it seems I misunderstood the expression completly. Hope you can forgive my error. :)


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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 25th, 2012, 11:21 pm
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N/P. Just an unfortunate choice of word!

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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 26th, 2012, 3:19 am
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A sketch of the ship.

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Post subject: Re: Advice on a treaty BattleshipPosted: March 26th, 2012, 3:58 am
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Just a couple things I can think of offhand ...
You might want to do it Shipbucket sized so we can get a better idea about it.
You would probably want 4 shafts instead of two.
The fore turrets seems set back a bit far.
Are those casemated secondaries? If so, I'd lose them and replace them with deck mounted guns.

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