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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 3:25 am
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Several of the SSBNs were named for individuals who were not U.S. citizens. Pulaski had an honorary US citizenship (he died before the US gained its independance). Simon Bolivar was not a US citizen, nor an honorary citizen. Tecumseh was an American Indian, and therefore throughly American, but was a citizen of the Shawnee tribe (Indians were not US citizens at the time) and in fact died in a British uniform fighting against the US Army. (Maybe the Navy like that he was fighting against the Army?) Likewise, Kamehameha was a native Hawaiian and not a US citizen having died several generations before the US annexation of Hawaii; he was not only a citizen of the Kingdom of Hawaii, he was the soverign ruler of that kingdom.
All those ships were 41 for Freedom SSBNs when...apparently the Navy felt like picking random names out of history books (excepting the first USS Tecumseh which...I simply can't say, especially since US military intelligence highly suggested and was under the assumption otherwise that all native tribes were actively allied with the Confederacy, and indeed quite a few were).


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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 3:45 pm
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All those ships were 41 for Freedom SSBNs when...apparently the Navy felt like picking random names out of history books (excepting the first USS Tecumseh which...I simply can't say, especially since US military intelligence highly suggested and was under the assumption otherwise that all native tribes were actively allied with the Confederacy, and indeed quite a few were).
I don't know that the names were "random," but overtime you can see a trend towards greater ethnic inclusion in the honor of names for major naval vessels. At the risk of being polically incorrect, there is a faint hint of "tokenism" in having one African American, two American Indians, one Hawaiian, one Mexican American, and one South American in the list of names. Ascribing the theme of freedom, as idealize in the American ethos, to some of the historic figures is a bit of stretch. Tecumseh wanted freedom from the US. Kamehameha achieved fame by conquring the other Hawaiian islands, it did make him the "founding father" of the unified Kingdom of Hawaii, but the group that benefited the most was the noble families of the Big Island, traditional noble families on other islands were supressed. We could fill a multivolume series of books on discussing how Confederate gerneals fit into the theme of "freedom".


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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 3:49 pm
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keep in mind the (old) practise of naming ships after honorable enemies. during the golden age of sail, this was very common, causing the brits to have ships with french names and the french to have ships with english names......
I don't know if any of those names have found their way to the current ships though.

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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 3:55 pm
acelanceloet wrote:
keep in mind the (old) practise of naming ships after honorable enemies. during the golden age of sail, this was very common, causing the brits to have ships with french names and the french to have ships with english names......
I don't know if any of those names have found their way to the current ships though.
Indeed yes.


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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 3:57 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
keep in mind the (old) practise of naming ships after honorable enemies. during the golden age of sail, this was very common, causing the brits to have ships with french names and the french to have ships with english names......
I don't know if any of those names have found their way to the current ships though.
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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 4:37 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
keep in mind the (old) practise of naming ships after honorable enemies. during the golden age of sail, this was very common, causing the brits to have ships with french names and the french to have ships with english names......
I don't know if any of those names have found their way to the current ships though.
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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 11th, 2012, 5:04 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
keep in mind the (old) practise of naming ships after honorable enemies. during the golden age of sail, this was very common, causing the brits to have ships with french names and the french to have ships with english names......
I don't know if any of those names have found their way to the current ships though.
They didn't actually name them after their enemies. However, changing a ships name was considered bad luck and was only done on rare occasions, so whenever a British warship captured a French one the'd keep the name. The following ships were named after the ships of that name, rather than the person.

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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: March 27th, 2012, 6:56 am
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Real Hellenic Navy ship naming

Pennant numbers are random when ships were aquired sole or within a pediod of time,or even because of covering spaces between excisting number.When several ships aquired/built together their pennant numbers are contininious as counting,but there are expeptions such as the Cannon DDs which all aquired in 1951 but their pennant numbers were random.

Landing Ships are named from Aegean islands generally.

For example:
L-104 Oinoussai
L-116 Kos
L-171 Crete (or Kriti)
L-144 Syros
L-154 Ikaria
L-157 Rhodos
L-158 Limnos
L-179 Samos
L-195 Xios
These were mostly of Terrebone Parish class and other similar WW2 origin landing ships.

Same with LSM

L-145 Kasos
L-146 Karpathos
...

AO and Ammunition Carrier Ships named form rivers,but some were named from Hellenic Mythology.

A-464 Aksios
A-470 Aliakmon
A-415 Evros (ACS)
A-377 Arethousa
A-414 Ariadni

Destroyers named in recent years from Admirals of the Revolution or from Ancient Admirals.

Gearing Class FRAM I belong to the first category and Charles F.Adams to the second.

D-212 Kanaris
D-213 Kountouriotis
D-214 Sahtouris
D-215 Tompazis
D-216 Apostolis
D-217 Kriezis
Also there was 2 Allen Sumner FRAM II,the D-211 which was named Miaoulis and D-210 Themistokles.

Charles F.Adams

D-218 Kimon
D-219 Nearhos
D-220 Formion
D-221 Themistokles

Fletcher Class Destroyers

These had mainly named by weapons

D-06 Aspis (Shield)
D-16 Velos (Arrow)
D-56 Lonchi (Spear or Lance)
D-85 Sfendoni (Sling)
Also
D-28 Thyella (Storm)
One more was named from a city famous from a battle of Revolution
D-63 Navarinon

Cannon Class Destroyers (originally these names were given to older DDs which served from 1910-1945)

These named from ferocious animals-so they became famous as "Thiria"(Beasts).

D-54 Leon (Lion)
D-31 Ierax (Hawk)
D-01 Aetos (Eagle)
D-67 Panthir (Panther)


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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: April 9th, 2012, 5:10 pm
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I have British Warship Names by Manning and Walker which despite being from 1959 is very interesting as it lists all ship names used by the RN alongside details of the ships they were attached to and includes such gems as

HMS Spanker - Floating Battery of 1794 and Minesweeper of 1943
HMS Blonde originally prize name then 8 ships culminating in a cruiser of 1910


The admiralty takes their ship naming very seriously it seems and had several committees over the years to look after this issue.

Aircraft carriers apparently posed them a thorny problem. There was no precedent for naming new build aircraft carriers . Aircraft Carriers were as large as a Battleship but had only the guns of a light cruiser. Woud it be proper to give them names associated capital ship names which their size warranted despite them being associated with ships of far superior striking power at least in terms of the Navys traditional weapon the gun .

Apparently the first was solved for them when someone suggested Ark Royal that was not only attached to a converted merchant ship of WW1 and had naval aviation connections but was also the flagship of the fleet that defeated the Armada.

The next problem was overcome due to Furious, Courageous, and Glorious' existence thus some other Capital ship names were revived ending in -ous to give us Illustrious and Victorious

Also Aircraft carriers but this time Escort Carriers a series of -er names was used dating from 1797 and allegedly derived from the names of a pack of FOxhounds belonging to the second Earl Spencer who was first lord of the Admiralty at the time.


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Post subject: Re: Ship naming conventions of the world.Posted: January 24th, 2014, 2:05 pm
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Romanian Navy

F22 frigates - ex-Romanian royalty -Regele Ferdinand and Regina Maria
Marasesti is named after a famous battle fought during WW1
The Tetal corvettes are named after famous navy comanders
Submarines are usually named after sea creatures. The Kilo still in service is called Delfinul (dolphin) and the ones used durig WW2 were named Rechinul (shark) and Marsuinul (a kind of dolphin)
The Tarantul have some weird names, inspired by birds. Pescarusul (Seagull), Zborul (Flight) and Lastunul (Martin)
Also the Danube Flotilla has some names inspired by The War of Independence from 1877. The Monitors are named after statsmen from the timeline and the smaller ships are named after battles from that war -Grivita, Opanez, Rahova, Smardan but also Rovine (battle of Rovine -fought by Mircea cel Batran agains the Ottoman Empire) and Posada (battle fought by Basarab I agains Carol Rober of Anjou).

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