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Portsmouth Bill
Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 7:27 am
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Yes, its hot on BBC radio this morning on my way into work: Ark Royal being decomissoined immediately, and no aircraft flying off any new carriers for 13 years; the first one to be built as a helicopter carrier, then the second equiped to accept U.S. and French aircraft (when the first can be sold or). The R.N. will loose more of its surface fleet, Trident deferred, anf a manpower cut of 5,000.

(If I was the Indian goverment I'd have make an earlier offer on one of the Invincibles. I would think refurbishing the Ark Royal would still be cheaper than what they've got in place with the Russian carrier - but by now that is not an option)


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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 9:02 am
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yes and the loss of harrier
and the surface escort fleet to be cut to 19
But what else?

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 10:58 am
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It's 1966 all over again. The cancelation of the CVA-01 program set back the RN naval aviation a few years, and now the politicians are doing it again. It was said " he who never learns from history, will live through it again".

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 12:53 pm
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Portsmouth Bill wrote:
(If I was the Indian goverment I'd have make an earlier offer on one of the Invincibles. I would think refurbishing the Ark Royal would still be cheaper than what they've got in place with the Russian carrier - but by now that is not an option)
With the procurment disaster that is Admiral Gorshkov / Vikramaditya, picking up a carrier to replace Viraat (Ex-Hermes) at scrapyard prices would be a very good deal. They would still need to refit the ship get get it up to standards but it couldn't help but be cheaper than the current program.
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This is news doing the rounds here down under - by the sounds of it, the Ark Royal is to be removed from service immeditely. With Invincible laid-up, how much longer will Illustrious last? How will the RN maintain their competency in carrier ops if they don't have any left?
Illustrious got the refit that was still pending for Ark Royal, and is thus in better shape. My guess is Queen Elizabeth will end up as a CATOBAR carrier just due to delays in her building, even if she goes in for the refit right as Prince of Wales comes out.

The RN really came out of this defense review about as good as it could have. They get to keep the carriers, the T45s, 17 frigates, the Amphibious fleet, 7 SSNs, and 3 SSBNs. In short, they kept all the really important parts.

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 2:43 pm
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Why does Britain even need a navy anymore when the USN has something like 15 supercarriers etc.

^^ seems to be the line of thought in most nations these days...

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 3:10 pm
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The US has 11, and will probably end up with 10 over the next few years (the dockside infrastructure isn't there to build and maintain an 11 carrier force).

What the RN buys them is an independent expeditionary capability and an independent nuclear deterrent.

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 3:19 pm
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Last time i read Enterprise and Nimitz will leave service before planned date's.
The first carrier of the new class comes to late to make a 11 carrier fleet.
And the 2nd+3rd one comes to late to make even a 10 carrier fleet bij 2015??
So i quess usa will end with 9 carrier's max at one time.

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 3:21 pm
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Undoubtedly making way for the massive Royal Netherlands Navy to move in as its true position being the world's sole remaining superpower.

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 3:26 pm
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Colosseum wrote:
Undoubtedly making way for the massive Royal Netherlands Navy to move in as its true position being the world's sole remaining superpower.
Omg the AMERICAN'S ARE SCARED FOR FISHING BOATS!

Yes USS stout had entered 6 fishing vessel's, 2 small boats that go max 6 knots.
And a dutch naval vessel.

Why?
They came inside a 500m area, IN DUTCH WATER'S.

Pussy's.
Since when can a 6knot boat ram into a Arleigh burke class and do the same as to uss cole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvjQPHDu5xE


The dutch way:
Telling them to fock off, or we will open live fire.
And they just run off!

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Post subject: Re: R.N. Carriers, will they be built?Posted: October 19th, 2010, 3:44 pm
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mm... did we actually need that last post? When the discussion is about RN carrier decline..

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