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TimothyC
Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 8th, 2012, 7:10 pm
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From a design perspective, APAR and ASTER isn't a good fit. The sytems are just not designed to work together. Sticking with SAMPSON and ASTER would probably be a better fit.

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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 8th, 2012, 7:34 pm
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Thanks! I get the impression that SYLVER/SAMPSON with ASTER-30 and ASTER-15 are designed for extremely long range and high altitude anti air defence. What I really want for the cruisers is something that will just be able to handle aerial threats that threaten the ship and those in it's immediate vicinity. The key role of the cruisers is to launch supersonic anti ship missiles.


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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 8th, 2012, 8:14 pm
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Aster wrote:
Thanks! I get the impression that SYLVER/SAMPSON with ASTER-30 and ASTER-15 are designed for extremely long range and high altitude anti air defence. What I really want for the cruisers is something that will just be able to handle aerial threats that threaten the ship and those in it's immediate vicinity. The key role of the cruisers is to launch supersonic anti ship missiles.
The kinematics of the ASTER missiles are such that they offer long range point defense, but not area defense. I'm going to edit this post later when I am on a real keyboard.

Ok: the APAR System is designed for non-active seeker missiles such as ESSM, NSSM, and the Standard series. The ASTER series is a series of active missiles (they do not require a radar beam to be sent from the ship for terminal homing). You've used the SAMPSON radars across the rest of your fleet so for standardization, and systems compatibility, it would make sense to keep using SAMPSON. As for SYLVER vs Mk-41, it really doesn't matter so long as you can fit the missile in the cell. The larger cell in the Mk-41 lets you fire a larger missile (such as the Standard Family, VL ASROC, or Tomahawk).

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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 8th, 2012, 9:53 pm
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As long as you haven't used any large parts of someone's drawing, then there's no need to credit them in the drawing. The use of the Shipbucket template, naming format, crediting format, and scale/style intrinsically "credits" Shipbucket as the source of the parts (as does the "www.shipbucket.com" link in the bottom right of the template).

None of your drawings need any credit other than "Aster" on them.
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Why bow gun's are not okay? That's because they are out of date! What a cannon can do, missile can do it better and that's one of the reason that the Mk.71 8'/55 cannon didn't served on board the Spruance class.
This must be why the USN has entirely phased out traditional gun systems onboard all of its ships. Oh wait...

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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 9th, 2012, 12:02 am
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That's why AGS>Traditional Gun.


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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 9th, 2012, 12:55 am
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Clonecommander6454 wrote:
That's why AGS>Traditional Gun.
Then why are we still equipping Arleigh Burkes with the Mark 45 mount?

And wait a minute, weren't you saying earlier that everything guns can do can be done "better" by missiles?

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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 9th, 2012, 6:13 am
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...Well I really intend the missile cruiser to be used largely for air defence - would that not mean that I should really turn to S-300s?

Also, to what extent does the mast for the SAMPSON as seen on the Type-45 contain absolutely essential systems for it?


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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 9th, 2012, 6:58 pm
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I'm thinking of scrapping the anti submarine frigate and just giving the missile destroyer a type-41 VLS with RUM-139 VL-ASROCs amongst it's ASTER-30, ASTER-15 and Tomahawk missiles. That way the ship can be easily reconfigured for various missions as necessary. I'd also like to add a towed sonar array to help complement it's anti submarine role.


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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 11th, 2012, 10:45 pm
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No?


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Post subject: Re: Help!Posted: February 11th, 2012, 10:50 pm
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An anti-sub frigate isn't a bad idea. You might only end up equipping it with ASTER-15, not ASTER-30.

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