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Colosseum
Post subject: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 2:32 am
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Long time coming, I'm surprised it's taken us this long to get General Belgrano drawn for Shipbucket. This was a surprisingly difficult drawing, since I've become an insane perfectionist and there was fairly little info on the radar fit, gun layout, etc. The thing that caused the most trouble was the bridge and forward superstructure... I couldn't find any decent photos taken from the side, so had to work from a few scale model photos and whatnot. I hope the result is satisfying.

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This is Belgrano as lost in 1982.

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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 2:55 am
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Thats a pretty good drawing for eyeballing parts of it. Great work!

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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 2:57 am
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Well I wouldn't say 'eyeballing' as I had some plans to work from, but all of them were frustratingly wrong in different places. This is why I'm always skeptical of ship plans unless it's from Friedman's or similar. It was the details that I had to do a lot of legwork to figure out!

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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 4:21 am
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I had no idea that Belgrano had Seacat. Interesting to know.


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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 4:58 am
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Nice. I thought General Belgrano is a gun cruiser until it sank.


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Colosseum
Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 5:29 am
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Yep, SeaCat was fitted in 1967.

When it was sunk, the British thought it had been further upgraded with Exocet missiles.

I plan to draw the Belgrano's sister ship ARA Nueve de Julio (ex USS Boise) later, but for now I'm taking a break from the Brooklyns to focus on other ships.

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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 5:38 am
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Ahh Exocet... It'll sink anyways with or without Exocet.


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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 5:54 am
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I'm kind of curious why everyone likes to poke fun at the Belgrano...

From what I've read the Argentinians were more than competent. The ship got sunk by a British nuclear submarine designed 30 years after Belgrano was laid down. I think in fairness these ships did pretty well.

It's also a bit disrespectful towards the men who gave their lives while doing their duty aboard Belgrano.

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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 7:48 am
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Colosseum wrote:
It's also a bit disrespectful towards the men who gave their lives while doing their duty aboard Belgrano.
Agree with you, but what do you expect from someone (Clonecommander6454 :roll: ) which lives in a childish Alternate Universe ?

BTW : Smart work on the Brooklyn class, thank you.

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Post subject: Re: ARA General BelgranoPosted: February 3rd, 2012, 8:12 am
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Rather apt timing if I say so myself.

According to one article I read, they put on fake Exocet launchers to make the ship look like it was armed with it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/oc ... .falklands
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I asked Barcena if his ship had carried Exocet missiles, and he confirmed that it had, but when I asked Coco the same question, whether the Belgrano had carried Exocets, he laughed and told me that the Belgrano's carpenters had fabricated Exocet launchers out of wood, to make it look as if the cruiser carried the missiles. He added that the Belgrano was not even fitted with sonar.
Although HMS Conqueror was designed long after the Belgrano was, the ship itself was sunk with torpedoes dating from the 1920s (instead of the more modern Tigerfish ones). A vindication of tried and tested technology above something new?


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