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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 9th, 2011, 4:54 pm
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Whey you say northern Europe I think more of Sweden, Norway, Finland or maybe even Denmark ...

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 9th, 2011, 5:40 pm
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For post WW1-era ARCs and a new kind of heavy cruiser ersatz for BCs, take a look in my "Royal Hellenic Navy's Cruiser Force" in the Alternate Universe main thread. Hopefully that can infuse you with ideas!

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 9th, 2011, 5:44 pm
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Sorry Zephyr, I have completely misread this post, I actually thought it was your take on a RN capital ship; instead its an AU in another dimension. I will quietly leave the room :oops:

(note to Self, 'why do you persist in sticking your oar in, when your time can be so more pleasurably spent drawing ships?'. Um...? answer to self: 'yep your right, time to back off big time!')


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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 9th, 2011, 7:05 pm
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Portsmouth Bill wrote:
Sorry Zephyr, I have completely misread this post, I actually thought it was your take on a RN capital ship; instead its an AU in another dimension. I will quietly leave the room :oops:

(note to Self, 'why do you persist in sticking your oar in, when your time can be so more pleasurably spent drawing ships?'. Um...? answer to self: 'yep your right, time to back off big time!')
Back off? Why? I was issuing the backstory to help inspire ideas, not discourage them, and to give a clearer picture of the reasoning behind the ship design.

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 9th, 2011, 8:13 pm
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Version 3.

I added a few things to it like rails and boats. I also added some ports back in because it seems that most ships of that era had them, so it just kinda followed in my mind that this one ought have some too.

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 10th, 2011, 12:41 am
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Rhade wrote:
Whey you say northern Europe I think more of Sweden, Norway, Finland or maybe even Denmark ...
None of those had the resources to opperate one of these.
They simply require too much manpower and other resources.

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 10th, 2011, 8:56 am
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Thats why Thiel my friend I say that northern Europe is not a good customer for this kind of ship. ;)

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 10th, 2011, 10:56 am
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Thiel's efforts have made a ship that looks much more plausible, a kind of mini-QE but its still something that looks more like a 1913-15 concept than a 1920s one. The RN would not have built a battlecruiser like this in the 20s, one could think perhaps more of a mini G3 or Nelson. Even the concept of a 'small' battlecruiser is flawed given the huge space needed for boilers and tubines etc.
However as an armoured cruiser (go for 9.2in guns) this would make more sense, esp if there is no Washington Treaty.

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 10th, 2011, 12:27 pm
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Hood wrote:
Thiel's efforts have made a ship that looks much more plausible, a kind of mini-QE but its still something that looks more like a 1913-15 concept than a 1920s one. The RN would not have built a battlecruiser like this in the 20s, one could think perhaps more of a mini G3 or Nelson. Even the concept of a 'small' battlecruiser is flawed given the huge space needed for boilers and tubines etc.
However as an armoured cruiser (go for 9.2in guns) this would make more sense, esp if there is no Washington Treaty.
OK, I'll say this one....more....time....

1.) This is NOT the Royal Navy of Great Britain. This is an AU fictitious nation called Grays Harbor.

2.) Why is size such a frelling issue here? This ship is virtually the same size as the German Deutschlands, and last time I checked, all their machinery fit just fine.

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Post subject: Re: HMS Matchless (UKGH AU)Posted: December 10th, 2011, 1:01 pm
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Because Deutschland carried 6 11in guns in two turrets, while Matchless carries 6 12in guns in three.
As a result the machinery spaces are 60 ft shorter.

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