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bezobrazov
Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 18th, 2011, 12:17 am
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Here you go, my friend:

Bofors 152mm 50 cal. M1903 (which was the base for all further developments of this gun up till 1939, when the wholly new type was developed for the Dutch Eendrachts and Swedish Tre Kronor-class)
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Hope you like it! :D

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 18th, 2011, 5:52 am
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Nice. I'll get right to it.

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 18th, 2011, 7:38 am
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What do you think?

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 18th, 2011, 11:30 am
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Actually it does look quite well balanced now! :) :D

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 18th, 2011, 11:50 am
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Thank you, I'm glad you like it.
It has certainly been a learning experience for me.
Anyway, now I just need to ad all the fiddly bits (Storage boxes, firefighting equipment, lights etc) and then I can move on down her refit path. I plan on her being refitted around 1928-1931 (Proper directors for main and secondary guns, 20mm MG) and again in 36-38 (75mm replaced with 40mm Bofors, trunked funnels, new masts etc. She'll probably loose the B 6") Additionally, the two ships not in Denmark when the Germans invaded will receive upgrades in British yards. (Radar, 4.5in DP in place of B and Y mounts, more 20mm guns etc.)
And lastly, the one that survives WWII will receive a final refit post-war to serve as a training ship until 1952.

I've also been considering what impact the early adoption of turreted medium guns is going to have on other ships Danish ships in the twenties. It's obvious that the Niels Iuel won't be build like she was IRL, but on the other hand the original layout with two 30.5cm turreted guns, four 6" guns in superstructure casemates amidship and four shielded 6in guns above that isn't much better.

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 19th, 2011, 11:59 am
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That is turning out to be a fine cruiser!

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 19th, 2011, 1:33 pm
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Looks excellent, I agree the shielded B mount looks better.

One minor nitpick, you probably need more room between the breach of B gun and the bridge. There isn't much room for the gun crew and allowing for recoil etc. Note most RN cruisers of the time had fairly well spaced out guns. There is ample room to move B gun forward and the extend the deckhouse forward a bit too. Overall though I'm liking this design more and more.

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 20th, 2011, 2:38 pm
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Nice work Thiel!


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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: November 20th, 2011, 6:38 pm
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Just some nitpicking...
- The aft 6" mount should move abit forward, I think the hull is to shallow so close to stern, and you would minize the length of the armour belt aswell.
- You are using the 6" M/03-12 double mount sideview but a single mount top view. I think I would be good to use 3 or 4 twin mounts. The mounts are not true barbetteturrets but rather mount and hoist with an allround armoured shield.

Feel free to compare her with my similar cruisers.
Gävle 1918
Admiral 1912
Mod Amiral 1916

PLEASE - do a Springsharp calculation of her!!!

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Post subject: Re: A Danish AUPosted: December 6th, 2011, 7:46 pm
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Something a little more modern this time
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Armament consists of
*2 x 2 120mm TAK120
*4 x 1 40mm L/70
*1 x Mk 10 GMLS
*2 x 3 21" Dual Mode torpedoes

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