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Post subject: an ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 5th, 2010, 4:08 pm
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I am now working on Cuniberti's design for an all gun battleship. it was published under the name 'an ideal ship for the british navy' in janes fighting ships. everybody who has looked into the history of the dreadnoughts, knows this design, so I want to make the best of it. I will make an italian and an british version of it.
the underwater hull of the original drawing was nothing like an real one, so I have to redo that. I have to redo the masts as well, these are just lenghtened versions of the ones from the dante.
because there is no detailed data on this ship, it is mostly based on my ideas about how it should have been build following the original drawing. if somebody has intel that proves me wrong, please say so, because, as I said, I want to make it as good as possible.
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there are some design flaws though... the secondary and 3rdairy guns aren't placed that well. I also don't really know where to fit enough lifeboats. the armour is also a bit too much: because of the spreadened places of the guns, the armored area fills the entire ship. this will be an problem with the 24 knots top speed.... the armor can't be very thick.

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 5th, 2010, 4:09 pm
who, that is getting to look fantastic my friend!


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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 5th, 2010, 8:20 pm
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Interesting project, and a nice start. As for the lifeboats, they can be placed in the area behind the fourth funnel, which looks bare and empty.

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 7th, 2010, 6:45 am
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This was the basic drawing of the Cuniberti's paper.
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This design was really too heavy due mainly to secondary guns. BTW Cuniberti was not thinking to a complete armour but to limit it to main parts.
Typically approach was to have fast unit with reduced armour (look at real Italian BB and C of that period)
All that units will come soon...

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 7th, 2010, 2:34 pm
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Lazer_one wrote:
This was the basic drawing of the Cuniberti's paper.
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This design was really too heavy due mainly to secondary guns. BTW Cuniberti was not thinking to a complete armour but to limit it to main parts.
Typically approach was to have fast unit with reduced armour (look at real Italian BB and C of that period)
I thought that the colours on the drawing showed the armored section, am I right about that? I know the drawing (I am basing on that same drawing)
Lazer_one wrote:
All that units will come soon...
do you mean you are making this ship as well?

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 7th, 2010, 3:24 pm
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About the drawing it is a strange mix between a profile and a section. The shaded area should be the armoured section but this was an "ideal" ship...

I am drawing Real BB and Cruiser of Italian Navy from 1861...

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 7th, 2010, 3:34 pm
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Lazer_one wrote:
About the drawing it is a strange mix between a profile and a section. The shaded area should be the armoured section but this was an "ideal" ship...
very true. an ship based directly on these plans couldn't float, so I will move around some things. I've done that a bit already, look at the lower funnels, the single barreled turrets(I've made semi-casemates of them) and the bridge section. cuniberti proposed an ship for the italian navy based on this design, but they didn't build it, because it was too expensive. I'm just trying to make it how it should have looked when build, and what if it was build for the british navy. the british version will be a bit more logically, but also based more on my ideas of how it should have been.

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 7th, 2010, 7:48 pm
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some small changes, the lifeboats and cranes are added

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 16th, 2010, 7:23 am
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again some small changes

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Post subject: Re: and ideal ship for the navy, aka colossus, by CunibertiPosted: September 23rd, 2010, 12:49 pm
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It's looking pretty good, but the shading of the funnels is nonstandard. Likewise under the stern. Nice looking, but won't pass muster for upload. I would encourage you to "fork" the drawing at some point. If you want to have funky shading for your own purposes, that's cool, but you should maintain a variant of the drawing that conforms to standards.




Also, I corrected the title of the thread. "And" ≠ "An". Drives me crazy. /grammarnazi'd


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