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Ashley
Post subject: Re: Quick question about real-life KriegsmarinePosted: August 19th, 2011, 5:47 am
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Germany didn't have much in way of dedicated landing crafts. The only ones that springs to mind are the various Marinefahrpramme (sp?)
That's correct, you only missed the Siebel ferry, but that was an army project (amazingly Oberst Siebel was with Luftwaffe).
I think that's what will fit best if the goal is to carry one halftrack plus some stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siebel_ferry
The MFPs were drawn at various configurations, did anyone do the Siebel ferry?

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: August 19th, 2011, 6:23 am
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I've been considering it. I think I have a sideview of some of the configurations somwhere.

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Post subject: Re: Quick question about real-life KriegsmarinePosted: August 19th, 2011, 1:43 pm
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Ashley wrote:
Thiel wrote:
Germany didn't have much in way of dedicated landing crafts. The only ones that springs to mind are the various Marinefahrpramme (sp?)
That's correct, you only missed the Siebel ferry, but that was an army project (amazingly Oberst Siebel was with Luftwaffe).
I think that's what will fit best if the goal is to carry one halftrack plus some stuff.
Is there, say, any possible French option?

If not, then I guess Siebel ferry it would be...... although it still seems big for my purpose. I need it to be as small as possible.


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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: August 22nd, 2011, 7:03 am
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If you are looking for small LCIs or one-tank-LCPs forget it. There were none. The Siebel is the smallest. I remember some swimming tanks, that's it.

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Post subject: Spähkreuzer 3rd batch 1945Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:37 pm
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The Spaehkreuzer class saw in 1945 with the 15th unit a third batch. Extensive use of radar and optical measurement systems as needed for the scouting role. Main radar is the new 'Chemnitz', a successor to the 'Würzburg Riese'. The main armament is extended to four turrets now, all are 5" DPs. Medium aa is four 5,5cm full auto twins, light aa is one 3cm quad only. Midship torps are replaced by two 'Geier'-triple-launchers. The 'Geier' is a G7es type torpedo with added start rocket. The large tripod tower is lent from the M-class cruisers. The hull is mainly the same as the 1940 design.
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I think this a logical evolution of the 1940 Spähkreuzer. Edit: some minor errors deleted from drawing[/size]

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Post subject: Spähkreuzer final design 1940Posted: August 23rd, 2011, 2:43 pm
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Oh no, I lost my 1940 design by overwriting it with 1945 design. :evil:

Spaehkreuzer 1940 is delayed again. :(

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Post subject: Spähkreuzer final 1940 designPosted: August 24th, 2011, 12:13 pm
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Here comes the Spaehkreuzer in its final 1940 design. While no real plans exist, only some loose drawings, it is mostly from imagination, empirical knowledge and simple logics. But the general data and its purpose are recorded:
The size is 7500 to, length 162m, beam 16m, armament are 3x2x15cm tbk, 2x2x8,8cm heavy aa, 4x2x37mm med aa, 8x20mm light aa, 2x5 torp launcher, 1 aircraft (while that one is questionable). The purpose was an oversized destroyer for escorting the large fighting ships on long range missions at atlantic ocean. I started with the drawing from german-navy.de.
First I changed the 8,8cm to 10,5cm what was done to all large ships. And I dropped the aircraft. The Spaehkreuzer would have been comparable to the K-class cruisers by size, but its max speed was to be more than 36 kn. So the machinery must have been bigger even when it was to wear lesser armor. So no aircraft.
The 1940 design went from one to two heavy aa turrets. Where would they have been placed? Surely not at the 1938 designed position behind the two aft main turrets and maybe between bridge and fore turret. I decided the position between the torpedo launchers as wing turrets to be best. The allover firing angle is perfect for them. But I placed the 2cm quads at the positions mentioned before. The 37mm twins are mounted on platforms beside the funnels.
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Doing this drawing was a lot of fun because the sources were so few and weak or simply wrong at details. I hope I made the best from it.

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: August 24th, 2011, 1:48 pm
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I like it ... nice, fast, good thinking design.

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Post subject: Re: Kriegsmarine 1946, second approachPosted: August 24th, 2011, 2:32 pm
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Seems somewhat underwhelming I have to say. For the same displacement you could get a Leander. 8x6", 4x4.5", 12x12.7mm, 8x 21" TTs, armour, 32.5kts speed and aircraft facilities.

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Post subject: Comparing Leander / SpaehkreuzerPosted: August 24th, 2011, 5:05 pm
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Thiel wrote:
Seems somewhat underwhelming I have to say. For the same displacement you could get a Leander. 8x6", 4x4.5", 12x12.7mm, 8x 21" TTs, armour, 32.5kts speed and aircraft facilities.
Maybe. But a Leander is a more versitle ship, the Spaehkreuzer is specialized for the scouting/escorting role and looks like a very comfortable ship to me. Another thing is the different engine concept. Leander has concentrated all propulsing machinery midships with steam turbines only, Spaehkreuzer is equipped with additional diesel engines. I think, this is one of the best german naval designs of this era.

This is the original look as in Germany Navy:
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10,5 reduced to one turret, 2cm quad turned into 2 twins beside the aft castle. AA-capabilities are much weaker at this design.

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