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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 9:26 pm
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Personally, I'd want something a tad more capable than an I-mast. Indeed, electronic wise it seem rather under equipped. Aside from the aforementioned I-mast, you have only a very basic com suite, no ECM or decoys that I can see and I serieously doubt if you have enough guidance channels to keep all your weapons in action at once. Given the likely cost of this ship, I'd find space for a ManPAD launcher or two as emergency air defence in case the ship looses power.

You anchor would be suitable for a patrol boat 1/4th the size, your fairleads needs some work, the recess with the aft MG in it needs shading, your hangar is somewhat on the small side, the aft 76mm interferes with the stern bay, you'll need a flight control booth, the rudder is a tad on the big side, the lights above the crane serves no purpose aside from annoying the rating who have to replace the tubes (Hint: Ladders + rolling boat = bad things) and as per usual, the nav radar can't look backwards.

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 7:27 am
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Personally, I'd want something a tad more capable than an I-mast. Indeed, electronic wise it seem rather under equipped. Aside from the aforementioned I-mast, you have only a very basic com suite, no ECM or decoys that I can see and I serieously doubt if you have enough guidance channels to keep all your weapons in action at once. Given the likely cost of this ship, I'd find space for a ManPAD launcher or two as emergency air defence in case the ship looses power.
IMO, the I-mast is capable enough. as far as I know, but for the guidance channels..... I will do some research on that, never thought of it. you are right about the manpad launcher and the com suite, decoy launchers are reworked in the hull (the tripple tubes you see on some places on my ships.) ECM is placed in the I-mast, but if you think it is needed, I can put some extra stuff on top of the bridge and upper structure. what systems are possible? also, how can I draw an manpad? I have an good position for them, but don't know how to draw them.
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You anchor would be suitable for a patrol boat 1/4th the size, your fairleads needs some work, the recess with the aft MG in it needs shading, your hangar is somewhat on the small side, the aft 76mm interferes with the stern bay, you'll need a flight control booth, the rudder is a tad on the big side, the lights above the crane serves no purpose aside from annoying the rating who have to replace the tubes (Hint: Ladders + rolling boat = bad things) and as per usual, the nav radar can't look backwards.
the anchor was also on the drawing of the dutch lcf, and this ship is not that much larger..... but ok, I will add an better anchor. about the recess and the flight control you are right, the hangar is only for 1 heli, and is large enough for that, the stern bay will be removed, and the rudder is just as large as the one from the lcf.... and you are really right about the nav radar and the lights, I will add an nav radar on the stern as well, and move the lights to an better position.

and thanks for the comments :D I want to make this ship as good as it gets, so the help was welcome ;)

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 8:11 am
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some fixes made...
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not all is finished, the manpad needs to be added, as must the ECM. other then that, it's finished, unless somebody has something to say about it......

EDIT: and I will use an starstreak/seastreak manpad,placed next to the goalkeepers (which both are placed at one side) now I only have to draw them :?

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 9:41 am
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Dual Stinger ManPAD
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Still don't like the I-mast, and nothing I've read seems to suggest that it's in the same league as the Smart-L/APAR, SPY-1 or the Sampson. And that's really what you need for a ship like this.

Btw, how far along is the LCF project. I haven't studied it at all, but judging by the hints I've picked up here and on other boards, I'd guess a detailed design is still a way off. Hence the undersized anchor and oversized rudder.

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 9:57 am
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Dual Stinger ManPAD
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Still don't like the I-mast, and nothing I've read seems to suggest that it's in the same league as the Smart-L/APAR, SPY-1 or the Sampson. And that's really what you need for a ship like this.

Btw, how far along is the LCF project. I haven't studied it at all, but judging by the hints I've picked up here and on other boards, I'd guess a detailed design is still a way off. Hence the undersized anchor and oversized rudder.
thanks for the manpad drawing :D I will add it in the next version.
for the I-mast: as you can see, it has 2 differerent mast possibilities. the escort and AA versions will get one with an evolved APAR on it, which takes the missile guidance. the land attack and antiship/sub version will have an I-mast, because their AA battery is mainly for self defence, and thus don't really need an APAR.

and the LCF project.... these ships are finished, or are you talking about the sb drawings? and indeed, the rudder is oversized, I just searched for some dock pictures of the LCF, and it shows rudders half this size. I will edit it immediately. the anchor is slightly larger in reality, but not that much, and I doubt it will differ in sb scale.

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I have no idea how to draw the ECM systems, somebody has some intel for that?? the rest is now finished, I think

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 4th, 2010, 2:56 pm
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I've done some research, the I-mast 500 will have an ECM suite build in, so I consider this version finished..... so I will now start with the 4 different versions.

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 4th, 2010, 3:17 pm
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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 4th, 2010, 6:17 pm
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hereby I present: the finished version of the fictional heroes class. the first ship, the Shin Kazama, was commissioned in 2010. since then, every 3 months one was commissioned, until 2019. there are 30 of these ships build, originally there were 40 planned, but in 2019 the war showed there was no need for more of these ships. the ships are special because all ships of all 4 variants can be 'rebuild' into another variant in just 2 months, without the need for an drydock. just swap the mast and the main gun, and load the appropriate missile load. most ships are build as the escort variant.
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the last 3, ships, which were halfway finished in 2019, were finished as an different type of ship. the ability to switch the weapons and masts with other ships was removed. the helipad was partially removed as well, but it was reinforced, so an pzh2000 could use it. 2 extra rhib bays were added and the ships were painted in an camo pattern. by this, the utopian created an surface attack combatant, which could also transport a few land vehicles, mostly boxers, jeeps and light tanks. this way the ship could cover an landing operation, let the troops take over an harbor, and it could provide the ground soldiers with some vehicles to attack further. when this ability wasn't used, the hangar was only used by an pzh2000, for extra artillery on board.
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(note: there are a lot of useless options in this last design. it was more or less an 'how could we use those half-build ships' program, and in 2021, the year of the large landings in france, 2 of these ships were completely refitted, without the vehicle deck and other 'not that usefull' parts)

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 4th, 2010, 8:22 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
the ships are special because all ships of all 4 variants can be 'rebuild' into another variant in just 2 weeks, without the need for an drydock. just swap the mast and the main gun, and load the appropriate missile load. that can be done in 3 days, the rest is mostly for testing purposes. most ships are build as the escort variant.
You do realize just how much work is involved in installing a radar right? Just to give you an idea, installing the SMART-L on the Absalon took somewhere around six weeks, and that was in a dry-dock and all the cabling had been done. And that was one radar. You can't just plonk it down, connect the wires and be off. They need careful aligning and adjustment to counter interference from all the other electronics on the ship. Remember, the I-mast is only build to cancel out interference from itself.
The nav radars, satcoms and especially the Goalkeepers search radar needs to be cancelled out, and so does the the gazillion other bits and pieces of on-board equipment.

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Post subject: Re: Winged HeroesPosted: September 4th, 2010, 8:28 pm
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acelanceloet wrote:
the ships are special because all ships of all 4 variants can be 'rebuild' into another variant in just 2 weeks, without the need for an drydock. just swap the mast and the main gun, and load the appropriate missile load. that can be done in 3 days, the rest is mostly for testing purposes. most ships are build as the escort variant.
You do realize just how much work is involved in installing a radar right? Just to give you an idea, installing the SMART-L on the Absalon took somewhere around six weeks, and that was in a dry-dock and all the cabling had been done. And that was one radar. You can't just plonk it down, connect the wires and be off. They need careful aligning and adjustment to counter interference from all the other electronics on the ship. Remember, the I-mast is only build to cancel out interference from itself.
The nav radars, satcoms and especially the Goalkeepers search radar needs to be cancelled out, and so does the the gazillion other bits and pieces of on-board equipment.
if you have numerous ships with all the same equipment on board, you can do that on board every ship, and put it on board another ship. the I mast is considered plug and play, so testing and all the aligning takes 2 weeks for it, but most of that tweaking is done beforehand.

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