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No,is fictional,as the Konon Class Frigates.But Nestor is still in service and it will be for many years,as the previous Royal Yacht,Amphitrite built in 1866 and survived until April 1941,when sank from German Bombs in Zea Port..

The Hellenic Frontier Guard (Fictional)

Founded in 1924 to protect the North Land Borders of the Kingdom,the Frontier Guard is (together with the Gerdarmerie) the only law enforcement forces in the 4 autonomous territories of the Kingdom.There,the Gerdarmerie replaced the older Civil Guard (1919-1984) in 1986,when the Goverment desided to reorganise the Police Forces.The structure of the Frontier Guard based on the Finnish one and is devided to Land,Maritime and Air Forces which also has the duty of SAR both in land and in the Black Sea (Hellenic Coastguard never had a branch in Black Sea).Today it has 12000 personel trained to its own Frontier Guard School in Messimvria.

About equipment:

AS-365G:Variant of the Dauphine family,has the same equipment with the USCG HH-65 but is 100% French in engine,avionics and electronics.Also HCG has 14 AS-365Gs,all asseblied by the Hellenic Aircraft Industry in 1981-1984.
R-228:It is the locally,license built Dornier Do-228 (the R- is a perfix in all hellenic made airplanes,as a honour to Antonius Raab,the founder of the Hellenic Aircraft Industry back in 1929).These aircraft can act above land or sea.
Mil Mi-17H:These helicopters aquired from former East Germany in 1993 as Mi-8 and rebuilt in Russia to Mi-17 spec in 1996-1997.Some work on them was made by HAI.They classified as -H because it is a Rescue/Transport variant with Western communication system and avionics,similar with AS-365G.
AH-139FG:Based to AW-139,the only difference is the French-Hellenic avionics.Has all equipment for SAR missions and used also to discover illegal immigrants trying to enter the Kingdom's Mainland.
Zelitz ZH-50:Identical with RHN,but here its role is more peaceful:SAR missions,transferring emergency supplies to mountain villages (400kg load in a hook underneath) in winter conditions (North Thrache and North Macedonia have the most severe winter in the Kingdom) or even use a IR system to discover illegal immigrants).Will be replaced from the ZH-60.

Vehicles:These posted here are not complete list,but they are the main vehicles in service.
MT-LB:Aquired second hand from Russia in 1998 and rebuilt locally.
Lynx 4X4: (I found the original design in Angkatan Bersenjata Republik Indonesia of Vossiej,I do not know who is the original drawer-it is the french VAB).To my scenario,this is a locally developed small armoured amphibious vehicle.
AMX-10PM:The old AMX-10P which Army bought from France in 1970's (about 140) rebuilt with different engine and equipment for use by the Frontier Guard.The Gerdarmerie has also several (identical with Frontier Guard's).Total number 120.
Unimog:The Frontier Guard has a large number of various Unimogs,this is one example.
G-Series:In HLK these is a large number of these in service with all Armed Forces and Fire Brigade,all made with license locally.

Maritime Force:

First patrol boats aquired in 1925,were a modified copy of Vulcan "11" torpedo boats RHN had.Several other followed,all sunk in WW2.Current boats are these posted.

PC Klasse145:Designed by Lurssen in mid 1960's,made with license (total 18 built 1967-1975),used as FACM with the Adis I missile (Navy Command of Black Sea still has 4 on service to that role) and converted to PCs in 1997.
Pr.63: This very fast vessel has its roots to East Germany,is a variant of the Schnellboot Projekt 63 / 63.300 Iltis Typ LTS.Made form aluminium,these vessels were designed to retain their speed in any conditions in Baltic and North Sea,so in early 1970's (my scenario now) the Messimvria Shipyard managed to purchase the license for building 36 of these boats in 2 variants: one fast interceptor boat (Navy Command of Black Sea,HCG,HFG) and a SOC for RHN Seals.From 36 vessels built (1973-1975) only 6-7 survive today all in Frontier Guard (numbers were 16,12,8 to each maritime branch) due to fatigue. A good photo of the real East German Vessel:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leich ... _Iltis.jpg
(If the link does not work,copy paste it in address box top of the page)
Specs (Pr.63 Mk I/II)

Displacement (full load) 15,2 t
Length 14,8 m
Beam 3,4 m
Draught 1,05 m
Propulsion 2 X CRM V12 diesels,each 1000hp
Shafts/Propellers 2 - 2
Speed 52-54kn
Complement 3 (SOC also accommodated 6 Seals)
Armament : All 1 X twin 0.5" Browning (used by US forces in Vietnam) and 2 X BAR 7.62mm (later 2 X MAG 7,62mm)
SOC Variant had a slipway for a 5.8m Zodiac RIB

Note :Gerdarmerie exists only in Autonomous Territories since 1985,rest of the Kingdom has the Hellenic Police.

The Lurssen/Hellenic Shipyards Klasse 145 (Fictional)

Displacement: 440t (FACM,MLC),400t (PC),420t (SOC)
Length: 57.8 m
Beam: 7.8 m
Draft: 2.6 m
Propulsion: 4 X TAG 20V672TB93, 22000hp total
Speed: 42 kn/38kn (FACM,MLC) 44kn/40kn (PC)
Range: 2200 nm/18kn ,500nm/38kn
Complement: 51 (FACM),36 (PC)
Armament:
• 1 × OTO-Melara 76 mm gun (FACM) or 1 X Artemis Naval S-30FF Twin 30mm autocannon (PC)
• 6 × Adis I anti-ship missiles
• 2 × torpedo tubes 21" (torpedoes Mk8/15,OMI-101) -removed to MLCs,PCs
• 1 X SAM Albatros with 4 missiles -removed to MLCs,PCs
• 2 X HMG 0.5" Browning M2 (or 2 X DShK 12.7mm in Cypriot service)
• 1 X RDCNG Orlov MkIII UAV helicopter (in Marine Police service)


Total 18 of these built by the Hellenic Shipyards in 1967-1975, first 10 boats send to Cyrpus as part of the ELDYK Navy (officially belonged to RHN/East Meditterranean Command) and next 8 built in Messimvria Shipyard for the Navy Command of the Black Sea.The PC Tamassos I Class/PV 32 is actually the first delivered and the PV 43 (last Tamassos II) the sixth.The Marine Police first from RHN put in service the new UAV Recovery System for evaluation and the results are very good.The PC conversion was first made in Messimvria in 1997-1998 and Cyprus followed in 2001,when the Navy Command transferred 2 ex-EOKA Class Missile Boats to the Marine Police.

EOKA I Class: All these had names from heroes of National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters
RDCNG: stands for Research and Development Center Of National Guard, a (fictional) military-owned Technology Developing Center which founded in 1969 in Cyprus from Hellenes.Among several other small programs,the Orlov helicopter is a radio-controled small UAV developed with Hellenic assistanse.It is similar with the Soviet Ka-10 (link http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/ka-10.php)

Specs (RDCNG Orlov Mk III):

Fuselage Length: 3.9m
Rotor Diameter: 4,2m (2 three bladed coaxial rotor)
Height: 2.5m
Width: 1.97m
Engine : Isaac IS-4G, 65hp (air-cooled flat piston engine)
Take-off weight: 370kg
Max speed: 125km/h
Service ceiling: 2500m
Range: 200km
Equipment: IR camera,CCTV camera,image transmitter,Automatic Launch/Recovery System (same with ZH-50)

The Mk I (1975) was experimental and the Mk II entered sevice in 1982 for land observation.The Mk III (1994) is used also for sea observation.National Guard has 30 in service,Police 16 and State Services 4.No export ever reported.

Note:
SOC : Special Operation Craft
SB : Submercible Boat

Frigates of Black Sea Navy Command in 1978

The Messimvria Class Frigates:

Based to Alpino Class frigate and built in Messimvria Shipyard in 1968-1972,was one of the most advanced ships in Black Sea (except Soviet ones,but Hellenians never thought Russians as enemies,even Soviets-the enemies in Black Sea were Romanians,Bulgarians and the Hittites).The main differences from Alpino Class were of course the Adis I missiles,the twin Dardos at sides of the hangar (Alpinos had two 76mm),the single 127mm front and in propulsion.

Specs:

Displacement: Light: 2,120 tonnes
Full load: 2,820 tonnes
Length: 113.3 m
Beam: 13.1 m
Draught: 3.8 m
Propulsion: 2-shaft CODAG system
4 X TAG 20V672TB84 diesel engines 14,000shp +2 X SNECMA/Aerodyne Atar Marine gas turbines 33,000 shaft horsepower
Speed: 35 kn max, 22kn with diesels only
Range: 3,500 nm/18 kn (diesels)
Complement: 265
Sensors and processing systems:
Radars: SPS-12, SPS-2 RTN-30X, RTN-10X
Sonar: STN Atlas/MARAC ELAC 2G (same with Konon Class), towed sonar Amphitrite I/II
Electronic warfare and decoys: SLR-4 ESM system,SLQ-D ECM system,2× SCLAR decoy launchers
Armament: 1 X Oto Melara 127/54C 127mm,2 X Oto Melara 76/62C 76mm,2 X Oto Breda Dardo 2X40mm,2× triple 324mm torpedo tubes
Aircraft carried: 2 AS-319 Alouette III ASW helicopters
Aviation facilities: Flight deck: 25.2 m X 11.3 m,telescopic hangar

- you use the old WM-20, look at the dutch made parts sheet for the new one.
- on your FAC's, you use the old torpedo tubes
- on the alpino, you used the old OTO 127 drawing
- on some of your ships, you still use the old MK 29 drawing, on the alpino you use the new one but is the wrong way around
- I am wondering why your konon classes need 4 tripple torpedo tubes.
- on your konon class: the ASW (antiship) you have an antisub weapon and no antiship weapons, on your ASuW (antisub) you have something I think is an anti-ship missile.

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-Old torpedo tubes:When I designed these FACs,some months ago,I had the old ones.Can you provide me link for new 21",please?
-Old 127mm,old Mk-29:Will be changed
-Old MW-20:This is the radar that Alpino in shipbucket has (original Enrr design),I did not changed it.I thought it is Italian,but I will fix it.
-4 triple torpedo tubes:The philosophy behind this is to provide more fire power.Original plans had 4 21" torpedo tubes but in 1965 changed for 4 triple 324".
-ASW/ASuW: I was a bit confused about these initials,now it is clear.Thank you!

Aerodyne Turbine & Rocket Engines Development Company (Fictional)

Its roots goes back to early 1920's,when a engineer (and also mathematician) called Alexandros Karlinskis (1898-1962) (fictional person) started to experiment with motorjets.His first designs were based around the TAG D4M (derived from Mercedes D IV.A of the WW1) and later around the BMW 132 radial engine.He did managed to built an aircraft with 2 of the latter engines with help from the State Hellenian Aircraft Factory in 1936 but it had awful flying characteristics and never passed the prototype stage,even with significant improvements.During German Invasion of the Kingdom (1941-1944) was one of many Hellenian engineers who forced to travel in Germany to work for the Reich.Because of his experience with jets he worked in BMW and when he left Germany took some plans of the BMW 003 jet engine and started again research to develop it.He borrowed the name Aerodyne from a French car he owned before the WW2.
Some other engineers from the SHAF also took plans for aircrafts when left Germany and this led to the R-54,the first jet aircraft of the Kingdom. It was like an enlarged Messerschmitt P.1110 with convectional tail powered one Aerodyne J110 of 2200lbf.The engines were made also in SHAF which had the manufacturing equipment until 1957,when officially Aerodyne Ltd established.The same engine also powered the R-55 Armageddon,which was the first bomber aircraft of RHAF and had an indigenous afterburner (J-110A-38,3800lbf) (also with German roots,based to Arado E-555).The R-54 withdrawn from service in 1976 and the R-55 in 1980.In his last years, Karlinskis develop a marine version of J110 which led to the J110M-39/J110M-42 for powering the Aerotech Airboats (from 1965 onwards).
Aerodyne agreed with SNECMA in 1964 to develop a marine version of the Atar jet and the engine was ready in 1970.It had a horsepower range from 10200hp to 18500hp (J1100 to J1800) and selected for the RHN Euniki Class PG's (variant of the Asheville equipped with 4 Penguin SSM's,version J1300,13200hp) and also powered the only COGAG warship ever built in France,the 4 AAW Frigates Gloire Class (AU ship,is here and I used to my AU France) which had 2 X 13200hp + 2 X 18500hp "SNECMA Atar Marine".This engine used also by the Messimvria Class Frigates (2 X J1300) and several commercial fast ferries (AU of course) built from 1984 until well into the 1990's and in Aerotech A-38M (1994-1996).However,France used the Olympus for powering the F70 Type Frigates and not the M-53 Marine (which Aerodyne proposed to SNECMA to develop in 1980). So the Hellenic company continued alone the development of it.The story behing the M-53 is that when Ministry of Defense decided to choose the Mirage 2000 as the next fighter (1982) to a license-built contract of it (total 210 aircrafts from 1984-1999 from the Hellenic Aircraft Industry-established in 1960) and 40% of the its engine.In 1992 Aerodyne purchased the license of building the M-53 (before this counted on a engine purchased from SNECMA for its trials) and finally the marine version of M-53 (J200-J2800,22500-28600hp) was ready in 1994.The first ships powered by J2200 is the FS Lygeas Class (Combattante V-B).
Another project for Aerodyne was to built the engine for the (fictional) R-212/R-122,a civilian aircraft based to the Fokker 100 frame and is in production since 1990.The R-212 is the civilian version and the R-122 the military version,both powered from the Aerodyne J610, derived from PW JT8D.Of course a marine variant followed in the 2000's and the DDG Nearhos Class has the 32500hp J3300.Other products of the company is the J310,based to the General Electric J85 (EF-50A/M,based of F-5A,wait until the RHAF sheet) and spares for several commercial jet engines (CF6,JT8D,V2500 etc) co-produced with HAI.

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Ok,but Klasse 145 FACs used twin 21" torpedo tubes,that you marked "correct" is the triple 18" Mk32 torpedo tube.

I only know the large one was claimed incorrect by sb rules, as that one originally represented the tripple one. this was done before I came on sb, so I do not know anything else about it then the fact that half the US fleet has the wrong TT's on.

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