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Thiel
Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: March 11th, 2011, 6:35 pm
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I haven't seen Squid before in the position you've placed it. My concern would be that it requires loading facilities (and rails) and enough space to tilt; and unless the section of superstructure behind it is very narrow (which you are not indicating), it just won't do. Also, why retain Hedgehog with Squid?
The superstructure is narrow right there, though space is going to be tight. I'll give it some more thought.
As for the Hedgehog, it's there because I forgot to remove it.

Btw, weren't the RN working on a single barrelled Squid?

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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: March 11th, 2011, 11:39 pm
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Btw, weren't the RN working on a single barrelled Squid?
Indeed they were. The single barrelled Squid was meant for the Ford class boats and any other small craft. It was not meant for frigates, as the RN felt that a frigate is big enough for the standard Squid.

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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: March 11th, 2011, 11:48 pm
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True, but I'm obviously not going to be able to fit it and a helicopter. Unless...
How about if I moved the aft part of the superstructure off center? All the heavy stuff would remain on the centerline to avoid undue hull stresses. That should create enough space to mount a single squid and associated handling gear. Hmm, I'll give it some more though.

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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 4th, 2011, 7:49 pm
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As promised here she is with roughly the same load-out as the Peder Skram class had after their MLU.
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In order to make everything fit I ditched the aft gun, the 105mm rocket launcher, all optical directors and the emergency conning platform.
The 105mm magazine has been turned into a magazine for the sea sparrow. Six optical directors have been replaced with radar directors for a total of 7 directors. 4 for the Bofors, 1 for the 4.5" and two for the SeaSparrow.
This conversion has one major advantage compared to the Peder Skram class in that it's capable of targeting aircraft approaching from the foremost quarter.

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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 5th, 2011, 8:58 am
Well I love that one! and when you add the missile it's perfect :P


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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 5th, 2011, 9:18 am
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You might also consider offloading Squid for lighweight asw torpedo's? Or having Bofors asw rockets forward of the bridge?


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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 5th, 2011, 9:27 am
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I considered that, but in the interest of keeping cost down I decided to stick with the Squid.
Besides, early ASW torpedoes had pretty marginal performance even in the big oceans. I'd be surprised if they could hit anything in the Baltics.
The RN certainly didn't think so if the Common Hull frigates are anything to go by.

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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 6th, 2011, 2:25 am
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I'd expect the Danes to wait for IPDMS, rather than the huge, bulky (and rather low-capability) early Sea Sparrow. Also, two directors sounds great in principle but I think it would be too expensive in practice. The gain in capability would be pretty minimal IMHO.

Meanwhile, one Bofors director on each beam seems like plenty. It is a frigate, after all. Six-target simultaneous engagement capability seems uncalled for.


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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 6th, 2011, 4:42 am
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erik_t wrote:
I'd expect the Danes to wait for IPDMS, rather than the huge, bulky (and rather low-capability) early Sea Sparrow.
Very true. I'm not sure which particular brain fart made me put it there.
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Also, two directors sounds great in principle but I think it would be too expensive in practice. The gain in capability would be pretty minimal IMHO.
Maybe, but the Real Peder Skram had two, and since I'm trying to emulate that ships armament, this one gets two as well.
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Meanwhile, one Bofors director on each beam seems like plenty. It is a frigate, after all. Six-target simultaneous engagement capability seems uncalled for.
I've actually reduced the amount of directors it carried. It used to have six for the Bofors and two three for the 4.5".

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Post subject: Re: Thiels AU doodlesPosted: June 6th, 2011, 8:01 am
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Besides, early ASW torpedoes had pretty marginal performance even in the big oceans. I'd be surprised if they could hit anything in the Baltics
I was thinking of something contempory with the Harpoon that you are already using, such as the MK.32. It just seems odd to have some modernisation while not following through into other areas. Still, at least you're not using Hedgehog :)


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