And the post with individual comments, as promised before.
Sebu, Borga class:
A cute little corvette, and one of the entries better conforming to the stealth requirement. Covered anchor openings are a nice touch. Could use more detail below the waterline, though: bilge keels, clearer shading, anodes. Some of the geometry doesn't line up between views, especially the bridge wings and hatches. The mooring line openings are small and high, and the boat bay cutout is rather low. I don't see a hatch on the top view for turbine removal. The main thing that sits poorly with me, though, is the phased arrays. They should be square or rectangular, but you've drawn them as (non-right) rhombuses and parallelograms. A square array on an irregular tilted surface like what you've got there would not line up with the edges of the surface it's on.
Polydegmon, Watchman class:
At a first glance, I really like this ship. It has a nice reclining profile, very clean lines, and a unique axe bow. The script on the hull is a nice touch, as are the railings (and their shadows) around the front of the bridge. On closer inspection, though, there's a lot of room for improvement. I'll work my way from bow to stern. I'd scoot the anchors maybe 50 pixels aft and maybe even a bit higher to get them clear of the sonar bulge. Underwater shading could use more detail, but what you have is fine under the old standard. I'd also add bilge keels and stabilizers, to give this ship better seakeeping as it's "patrolling far-off overseas possessions." Forward above the waterline, this is actually one of the few ships in this challenge list that would benefit from weld lines or other visible signs where the bulwarks meet the deck, as it's hard to tell what's enclosed and what isn't. Maybe more minimally, you may want to sketch out a deck plan before you get started on the exterior. In any case, the decks don't really make sense to me when I go to measure them. Sensor fit seems rather light for a ship emphasizing sensor capability; maybe add a taller sensor mast for better ELINT capability, and search radars in different bands, while downgrading to smaller illumination radars. The GT exhaust at the aft waterline seems awfully small, and there are no diesel or water exhausts at the waterline on the sides. The propeller has too many blades (aim for 3-5) and the blades seem to be facing directly fore and aft as if feathered; blades pointing at the viewer should be diagonal in cross-section. In summary, I really want to love this ship, but the longer I look, the more issues I see.
Blackbuck (M. Yates), Flower class:
It's unfortunate that strict adherence to the stealth requirement results in such blocky ships. Blackbuck/Yates put a lot of thought into internals, sensor arrangement, and the contents of the mysterious mast tube, but I can't shake the feeling that the end product looks like it was made by a new user stretching some random lines between points and copy-pasting windows in a row. Aesthetically and spatially speaking, I'm not a fan of the wraparound bridge either, even though I know it's a real thing that's been done. On close inspection, though, Blackbuck's attention to detail paid off. The decks are logically spaced and pretty generous. The sensors are deliberately chosen. And while the hull is, by necessity, fairly bare above the waterline, Yates makes up for it with ample and correct detailing below the waterline. I still think the non-outlined nav radars are too hard to see.
Heuhen (H.heuser), CMD Johnson class Type 2:
The "cheese grater" intakes on the sides of the funnel instantly identify this as a Heuhen design. She is a rather chunky looking ship, quite beamy and deep for her length, but she does adhere well to stealth principles. I see separate intakes for the GT exhaust cooling and GT intake, and a channel for GT removal, which is nice. Separate helo and drone hangars are nice, as are the tracks leading into them. The slack line from the forward mooring hatch to the boat bay is a neat touch. There seems to be a deck break where the foredeck meets the superstructure; the top of the bulwark lines up with where I'd expect the deck to be, but the bottom of the bulwark, and thus the actual deck level, is about halfway down the next deck. And why all the changes in height around the hangar roof? Top view is good, but it could benefit from more loose electronics equipment like antennas, nav radars, SATCOM domes, and so on, even on a stealthy ship the totally bare deck over the bridge is odd.
that_person, 2020 mobilization frigate:
It's hard to evaluate this one on a blank slate after seeing and participating in all the Discord conversations about it. I still think SPY-5 is a poor choice for a low-cost mobilization frigate, though arguably this is more of an issue with the mobilization frigate concept in general. The deck heights are rather odd, especially the main deck (which tapers very quickly) and 01 deck (which is about 50% taller than it has to be). The bridge windows are a real weak point in terms of drawing quality, especially on top of the broken shading around them. Actually, now that I look closer, the shading is broken elsewhere; there seem to be two hull-side shades and two single-shadow shades in use here. I don't think I see a single air intake anywhere on this ship, and the lack of railings outside of the helipad and bridge wings has my OSHA senses tingling. The end version of the propeller is a definite improvement.
Maxwell John, Spectre class:
The bridge is the strongest part of this entry aesthetically, but it's also taken (credited) from another drawing, so I can't count it for much. Working from the top down: missiles, decoys, and torpedoes should be placed on the upper line of the template. Sensor masts seem to be stacked with generic electronics rather than deliberately selected systems. Shading is inconsistent; there are a lot of leftover shades not reached by the fill tool, and dark outline shades which are lighter than the main hull side shades. Deck heights are odd, though this is only really visible around the front of the superstructure because on the rest it isn't clear what's a bulwark and what's fully enclosed. Single-shadow lines where the bulwark meets the deck are a nice and easy way to denote this. The side boat bays could benefit from being grouped closer together, and their bottoms should line up with the deck they're sitting on. I can't tell what the openings in the sides of the hull (forward section) are, they don't look like covered anchors or mooring line hatches. The hull needs some love below the waterline: shading, bilge keels, stabilizers, a more detailed maneuvering thruster, markings and outlets around the waterline (as-is you have no engine exhaust and no air intakes), and sacrificial anodes. Don't lose heart, though: everyone starts somewhere, and as you put in more practice and compare your work with other entries in this thread, I'm sure you'll improve.
MattewEx, Alcance class:
I'm not going to comment on the panel lines again, because I've done that in my other post, but I will comment on the boat bays, which are not long enough for the RHIB you've included (54px door including outlines, 56px boat including outlines, and the hangar side door is even smaller). Sensor fit is rather austere, I see four phased array panels on the corners and possibly a large ring-type surface search and IFF array but that seems to be it. Separate navigation radars, datalinks, HF/VHF/UHF antennas, electro-optical units, and navigation lights would add some more detail topside. Detail at and below the waterline is very nice, especially the sawtooth-like dark paint around the exhausts, though the maneuvering thrusters' internal equipment will deny space to the 127mm gun's magazine and the stabilizers connect to the hull in a very weird way, making them look almost like vertical retractable keels. I think I see GT exhaust on the stern, but I don't see any intakes for the GT or diesels, or for general ventilation. Oh, and is that a firefighting nozzle over the hangar? If so, that's a really nice touch, a good feature on a multirole OPV that could be called upon for firefighting duties.
Baron von Teapot, Exocetidae class:
The weirdest thing about this is that it's based on a real concept mockup. Without having done my research on that real concept mockup, there's not much I can confidently say, except to question the judgement of whatever defense company made it. I still think it would have benefited from a top view so the audience can understand what is going on, and to better illustrate to yourself the geometry of the sail.
Superboy, Worakarn class:
You know what? This is actually my favorite entry, on the plain grounds that it looks the most realistic. By which I mean, it looks like something a real Earth navy would operate: conservative armament, conventional layout, simple 20' container mounts on the open deck, and then a bunch of COTS SATCOM domes and railings that were tacked on later and interfered with the stealthy design. No exotic hull shapes, no beste-in-der-welt sensor fit, no turbine-driven waterjets for 35-knot sprints, no exhaust ducted out the waterline to make room for even more stuff up top. If I were browsing Jane's or Wikipedia and saw this ship as Malaysia's latest acquisition, I'd think nothing of it. Still, I have some nitpicks... at 15px inclusive of lines, the bridge is very cramped. The cone mast and octagon mast should be separated by a black line on the side view. And what is with the slight difference in shading just below the black lines, all around the superstructure?
BurnedBread17, Ryktbarhet class:
Another beginner entry. Again, I'll work my way fore to aft. The gun is very far forward; the hull is very narrow right below it, and narrower still around the waterline, leaving very little space for the magazine. Moreover, the anchors seem to be competing for space with the gun's loading system. RAM placement is okay, though I'd like to see hatches, vents, lights, or other detailing on the sides of its pedestal. The bridge is rather odd; it's not clear how it converts from an overhang forward to being flush with the sides aft. Separating the windows from one another could help with this, and in the process, you really should adopt a newer glass color palette. Also, you can shade the forward-angled part of the bridge a lighter color, as it's facing up and forward. The decks are actually correctly sized on this one, hovering around 9 feet tall and running consistently from bow to stern. The sensor mast needs more thought: the panels on the sides and the front are different, and there are no panels on the rear, so you don't have consistent 360-degree coverage, and your navigation radar is aft of the mast, so you can't see the surface ships and land obstructions that you care about most: the ones in your path of travel. The top of the superstructure could use more clutter: consider defensive autocannons, SATCOM domes, electronic warfare systems, liferaft containers, more communication antennas, chaff/flare ejectors, and other details that you see on other ships in the challenge. Not quite sure what's going on around the boat bay, where the bulwarks seem to disappear but the deck steps up again. There are cooling intakes on your funnel, but you'll need more intake volume to supply the engines. Also pay attention to what other entries do at and below the waterline: exhaust points for diesel engines and water, water intakes, anodes, a cleaner connection for the bilge keel, and so on. The camo is a nice touch overall, but there are two squared-off corners that need more polish.
Hood, Type 31 Egret class:
The first of our trimaran entries, though by no means the most unusual hull so far. I'm a little antsy about putting big cutouts for the boat and gangway right where the superstructure connects to the outer hulls, because that seems like it could cause structural issues. I also think she could benefit from a top view, at least a draft one that isn't posted. For example, the sensor mast leads directly into the superstructure, and that part of the superstructure is wider than the hangar, implying that the sensor mast is much wider than it is long. Aesthetically, though, the sensor mast is very nice, as is the rest of the ship.
Boroda, Pr.20388M class:
A lot of my original thoughts on this ship related to the top view, but the top view is no longer part of this entry. I'll work fore-to-aft again. There doesn't seem to be an anchor anywhere on this ship, and the mooring gear is quite minimal. The bright red color of the antifouling paint is reminiscent of old Shipbucket, but more recently duller shades of red are more common. The forward Pantsir-M anri-aircraft system may not have space to turn around fully when it's that close to the superstructure, and the aft one's firing arc is interrupted by what appear to be missile boxes. There are two giant phased-array radars facing forward, but they're much larger than what you need when all your air defense is two Pantsir-M mounts, and they leave the rear 180 degree arc unprotected. Indeed, because of their high angle, they likely can't detect targets at the horizon, either. A lack of separate navigation radar hinders regular operations, including surface search, and a lack of offensive and defensive electronic warfare systems leaves the ship vulnerable. There are no visible intakes for the gas turbines. The gas turbine funnels are clear to see, but are shaded with gradients, which is "extremely haram." The use of black lines to denote changes in angle of the superstructure (other than 90 degrees) is also against the style; dark grey lines should be used here instead. I see no communications gear whatsoever--HF, VHF, UHF antennas, datalinks, nothing. It seems there are two types of anti-ship missile, or perhaps even three, including the VLS cells. The VLS cells also leave no space for the helicopter inside the hangar: the distance from the front of the hangar to the aftmost VLS cell is too short. The helicopter itself is covered in anti-aliasing and surrounded by stray pixels. The removal of the helicopter hangar within the hull may help with seaworthiness somewhat, but the addition of boat bays on either side of the hull so close to the waterline is arguably worse. And for all of this, just two lifeboat canisters? If these are typical 20-man Soviet lifeboat canisters, you have space to evacuate 40 crew members in all, but the crew is 60, so you really should have enough lifeboats to evacuate 90 crew to leave a safe margin if some canisters are damaged.
Ultraking101, Guerrico class:
The lore behind these ships is a very nice touch. For all the time I spend encouraging artists to design a ship around a given nation's requirements and roles, it's interesting to see a situation where a navy acquires a ship that was genuinely not tailored to its requirements and for good reason! Some of the hull openings are a little odd, especially where they're trying to fit in around the break between the superstructure and the hull proper, but the issues aren't fatal in my eyes. Deck spacing is hard to figure out though, the bridge is quite short at 15px but then the deck below it seems to drop out, compressing the decks fwd of the helicopter hangar to 16px. The propeller looks okay. Exhausts look awfully chunky for diesel engines but that could just be aggressive use of cooling. Good detailing around the upper part of the superstructure around and aft of the bridge. Base of the sensor mast is kind of funky, without a top view it's hard to tell what's going on with those three triangles and their different shades. Is the RHIB carried inside the stern, under the helicopter deck?
BillKerman1234, Shinsato Ken'Ichi class
I can't believe I'm saying it, but the entry with a clear Independence-class LCS aesthetic is one of my favorites. The detailing around the vents and intakes is superb, and the top view is stellar. The 55mm gun looks amazing, though I have some... concerns about the 5.5cm nuclear shell. The first issue is feasibility (the smallest warheads I know of were designed to fit in 155mm shells with nine times that volume), the second issue is radiation damage and contamination of your crew and electronics "at close range," the third issue is the implication in your writeup that nuclear shells are intended for use against pirate motorboats. The lower writeup also has some ships remaining in service for over 100 years, but even with mid-life overhauls and comprehensive upgrades, even half that is very optimistic. Alas, this isn't a writeup-writing challenge, it's a drawing challenge, and the drawing is very impressive.
1143M, Frigate No.727:
It's nice to see North Korea getting some attention in an AU entry, especially with a reference to the July 27th victory day slipped into the hull number. The aesthetic style of this ship is very interesting, reminiscent of Soviet ships of the late 80s and PLAN ships of the 90s and early 00s: notable RCS reduction compared to earlier ships, but with a lot of non-stealthy weapons, sensors, and antennas, including a lattice mast up top. For a while I thought this ship might simply not have any guided munitions at all, but those do appear to be box launchers between the bridge and the funnel, so it seems you forgot to put missiles up at the top. And the shading at the front of the superstructure is, in my eyes, too strong. There don't seem to be any liferaft canisters, either, but perhaps for a North Korean ship this is intentional? :p
armoured man, Raisanen class:
I've commented on the odd panel lines and deck heights already, so I'll focus on other things here. 4000 tonnes is awfully big for a corvette, and armament- and sensor-wise she feels more like a frigate, but then again the 2,500-ton "limit" was only informal, never official. "Charlie Charlie Terrathree Nadazero" should more properly be represented as "Charlie 1st Substitute Terrathree Nadazero." I suppose if you have two Charlie flags and are just dressing the ship for a commissioning ceremony, you could go with what you have, but the substitute flags need some love and it's not every day you have a message that allows you to use them. But these non-welding complaints are splitting hairs. The propeller is quite good though, and so is the expanded boot topping around diesel and water exhausts. I want to stress that it's a really nice ship when seen from a distance, and if it weren't for the odd amidships deck height and improvised welding pattern, I would have scored it a lot higher.
It would have been an absolutely legendary gigachad move to deliberately paint style-altered versions of Princess Luna and Princess Celestia on a challenge entry, slip into the top five, and then reveal that half the SB community had just submitted 10/10 scores to an image containing My Little Pony fanart. That would have been a level of cold, calculated, intellectual trolling far surpassing all of Kattsun's increasingly stale joke entries combined. Unfortunately, armoured man confirmed to me on Discord that the resemblance of the space-maned horses to certain fictional characters is purely coincidental, so I'm left in the embarrassing position of claiming to discover an Easter egg where none exists.
Remorseful Dreamer, Aetos class:
What strikes me most about this entry is that it looks like a small ship. Not like a corvette, like a frigate that's been shrunk slightly. . But the measurements do in fact add up! Deck heights are 16 pixels, a tad austere but still workable. Freeboard forward is quite low, but not fatally bad, especially since the superstructure is relatively low-set. Sonar dome is quite small, I'd suggest instead using an under-keel sonar like Kingklip, which would also make the location of the anchors so close to the sonar dome less concerning. Aesthetically, I just like it somehow. It helps that it's not packed to the gills with missiles, in fact it doesn't carry any at all as built, but from the description it seems to function as a low-intensity OPV so that's fine.
Corp, Achilles class:
The best thing about this entry is that it involves Congress imposing arbitrary requirements that result in actual human waste piling up (there's no mention of a head anywhere in the description of crew facilities and I like to imagine that was a deliberate omission). Also, bonus points for having an anime badge. Autonomous sub-trailing vessels are a neat concept, and this is a neat expansion of the concept. Not much else I can comment on as I don't know much about unmanned sub trailers except that they exist. Liquid CONREP via trailing a hose from the receiving ship is weird, since standard practice for ships without alongside refueling facilities is AFAIAA to trail a hose from the providing ship, and equipment exists for clearing seawater that accumulated in the hose, but again, that's nitpicking on the writeup, not the entry itself.
Idunevenknow, Provornyi class:
I like that this is a small entry in comparison to all the others. Some issues with deck heights but I'm not rehashing them here. I would suggest positioning the AShM launch boxes so they are not protruding, and moving the engine intake so it doesn't appear to bisect a structural deck. The navigation radar is quite obstructed in that position even if it's offset to one side, this could be solved by mounting that narrow mast onto the top of the thick mast forward of it. The sideways-facing boat bay is original, but original isn't always better--it makes it impossible to recover the boat while even slightly underway, and also makes me worry about the risk of a wave swamping the ship's interior. I'd suggest cutting the sonar entirely, on a ship that small you won't have space for the required supporting equipment and operator posts, it's right next to the engines and generators, and you don't have any ASW weaponry to actually engage targets. At a minimum, reduce it to a collision avoidance or mine avoidance sonar.
acelanceloet/J.Scholtens, Holland class:
I really like this ship's unique layout and the reasoning behind it. At a glance I was skeptical about how the powerplant could fit, but I can actually tell from the intakes, extraction hatches, and exhausts exactly where the gas turbines are located, which is a sign of a design that is very well thought out! Is the Oto 76 indeed capable of operating with no manual human input? I can only assume so. I am curious to know what this ship's intended role is; her AShM loadout is too small to make her a dedicated FAC, she lacks any sonar equipment or ASW weaponry, and her compact crew accommodations don't allow the flexibility of an OPV.
Mitchell van Os, Kalundburg class:
She seems rather slender for a catamaran. The top view and side view don't line up when it comes to the outer hulls; the top view suggests that the hull side keeps angling outward as you go down the outer hulls, but the side view has this shaded as if it's sloping inward, and the top view of the connecting wing isn't consistent with either. The connecting wing is also, on closer inspection, probably not tall enough to fit a deck plus structural supports. Perhaps a sketched front view would have helped in the drafting process? The slot/rail forward for crew members to move around safely with the help of a harness is a nice detail!
Christian 101, Type 057C:
While the welding is actually not that bad, the rest of this design needs a lot of work. There doesn't seem to be enough space for an anchor through that forward hatch. Her superstructure is extremely bare: I see traces of an air search radar, and one could put additional antennas inside a transparent cone mast, but she's still missing navigation lights, boats, radio antennas, a gangway... there's not much to comment on because there's not much there.
Miklania, Vennli class:
This looks quite nice as an OPV and general-purpose light combatant for a confined inland sea. Deck heights make sense, funnel seems to make sense, comms gear makes sense. The little holes scattered around the sides give the impression of being stray pixels, they don't seem to follow the usual kind of rhyme or reason. The propeller also bothers me, the diagonal profile of the blade facing the viewer should be a lot more apparent. But the fact that these are the only issues I can find is good.
Ecstatic Owl, Marttyyri class:
A nice little OPV overall, nothing too exotic. Good to see that the deck height issues in preliminary references were fixed. These comments are getting shorter as I'm running out of steam.
Soode, Donghan class:
Not really fair if I comment on myself. Kinda feel like I'm gonna get dinged for not having liferaft canisters, when they're actually behind hatches on the main deck, in special compartments that have floor plans and maintenance access and everything. Trust me, the reason I'm going all-out in these comments is because I drew not only side views but also individual floor plans for every single deck on this ship, and this forced me to think a lot about where to put major structural bulkheads and where the decks connect. For the record, I did try deck-level welds in an earlier draft, but I use 10-interval HSV shading so they looked like changes in the angle of the superstructure sides. And I'm too artistically conservative to introduce a new shading tones specifically for weld lines. Eh. Maybe I'll try it in the future. There is a deck-level weld line I forgot to remove on this ship, props to anyone who can find it.
Charguizard, Tekun class:
As with armoured man, I'm not going to repeat anything about welding here. Even setting aside the welds, she does look rather cluttered, especially for a stealthy ship. Wooden railings, portholes forward, exposed piping... it's not bad per se, it just feels like there's a lot going on. Maybe there's a happy medium level of detail somewhere. Still, all things considered, it's a good ship. I believe it's the only entry in this challenge that has liquid CONREP receiving gear, despite several other users mentioning long-term patrols, and the little color-coded squares are there too. Armament and role are well thought out, she reminds me of those French avisos.
Schodact, Lanze class:
This one also looks like a destroyer or frigate that was shrunk to half size. I think the bridge windows are the main thing giving me this impression. Fore to aft, one last time. What appears to be the anchor hatch is directly over the sonar dome, so in danger of damaging it, and also very high up, so much so that the shaft of the anchor should be protruding quite far up from the deck and the capstans should be visible. Transverse thrusters are competing for space with the gun magazine, and the aft transverse thruster is running through a wide part of the engine room. I'd recommend using a sonar dome under the keel and a single transverse thruster forward of the gun's magazine. The watertight bulkheads are nice in isolation, but you get structural benefits by aligning the front and back of the superstructure elements with them. Windows on the bridge are projecting out a little too far for even my taste. Are those large vents gas turbine intakes, or gas turbine exhausts? If they're intakes the rain will get into them, if they're exhausts there is nowhere to remove the turbines for maintenance (and redirecting the uptakes to be inline like that will eat up internal space, you can trust me because I've done it). The boat bay seems too short to store a RHIB of any useful size, and I assume one of the other cutouts is for the torpedo tubes. The helicopter hangar doors are too narrow to fit the helicopter you currently have even if it's perfectly lined up with the centerline of the hangar, and having a downward ramp doesn't save space if you can't slide back the hangar roof. I'd recommend just raising the deck heights to something a little more reasonable and having a regular two-deck-high hangar. Also, I feel like every time I see a new draft of this the propeller shafts are weirder, why can't you just use normal propellers or normal waterjets?
TigerHunter1945:
This image is corrupted on the regular forum view, so I'll comment on it when I actually take the link to give my votes.
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