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heuhen
Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 3rd, 2022, 3:34 pm
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Awesome drawings!

How much free time did you have lately!?!


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Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 3rd, 2022, 5:05 pm
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Excellent stuff.

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Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 4th, 2022, 2:23 pm
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Magnificent drawings, both ships and maps.
That last entry, Väinö Phuuri, is a true eye candy, everything looks just right!


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sebu
Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 4th, 2022, 2:42 pm
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Well, what can I say... another reference point to anyone, who are going to build AU scenarios. It's quite amazing, how these (and all SB stuff) have evolved during a decade... I'll withdraw my previous intesions to take part in this with "Vosu." It's just better to sit back and enjoy your coming posts.
ps. I really like those names (of ships and cities)
edit: I forget the critique ;) Couple things I wonder in this are population and GPD (which you've let open). Quite a lot of people in a northern country (while a big one), especially in 1900 unless you'll have vast resouces of mining products or coal. But you cannot eat either of them... Just a thought. :D


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Gollevainen
Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 4th, 2022, 3:09 pm
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thanks for the comments,

@heuhen, Well this is selection of stuff from last year and half atleast (couple of carefully retouched oldies from the past included here as well ;) ).
@st_lawrence, Thanks, she turned out eventually quite appeasing to my eye as well, It was (together with all the military masts) last things I struggeled to put together
@Sebu,Thanks, the emytology of these names are at some parts like 20 years of my imaginary world building.... the Big AU nation will incorporate names Ive invented back in 1980's ;) So I have had time to get them work...
As for GDP, we discussed this in the discord, and since this would be a completely imaginary economy with completely imaginary currency, simply turning them to USD wouldn't make much sense
since here no such currency exists at same strenght at the comparable timeframe.
For the population, the Evo situates (compared to our worlds Atlantic, which I tried to mimick with its currents for parable climate) Roughly in place of Scandinavia and Northern Germany. 80% of the population lives South of Sukkula-Kokko-Kitsaus axel.

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eswube
Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 6th, 2022, 8:29 am
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Truly magnificent! :o
(Just a bit pity that done at the expense of real-world drawings ;) )


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Hood
Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 6th, 2022, 10:23 am
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Every AU you do seems to turn up the artistic notch another setting.
These drawings are probably your best ever, lovely colour schemes and detailing and even sail too!
Fantastic work.

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Gollevainen
Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: August 8th, 2022, 9:45 am
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eswube wrote: *
Truly magnificent! :o
(Just a bit pity that done at the expense of real-world drawings ;) )
for the Big AU nation, where i will more closely follow my ...muse in terms of aesthetichs of the never-weres Im basing the drawings, I will try to submit atleast some as real never-were section.

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Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: January 22nd, 2023, 12:36 pm
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I decided to redo my Armoured cruisers and add one more predreadnought to this first Round of Evoan warships. Also some smaller cruisers text parts have been edited. Also forthcoming this winter/spring is the new 0.8 version of the Map and finaly the huge Interkommunaali's 1880-1905 fleet, of which Im almost done by this date.

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Post subject: Re: Aravala (Gollyverse) Main threadPosted: February 12th, 2023, 7:04 pm
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Foreword to Interkommunaali project

My "Big" AU has always been some sort of pseudo-soviet union in various forms, whether Novgorod, AU Soviet Union, Far Eastern Republic and as its latest incarnation, the S.N.T.L. here in Aravala universe. It has also been mostly made up from soviet and Russian never-where projects which I have collected and studied as long as I've been in the internet and thats quite long now. I've toyed around of my own personal designs back with the Far Eastern Republic but decided that for this new Aravala AU world, I would return to the my beloved soviet never-wheres. I did some diggings in my own archives and also spend some considerable amount of money by purchasing a lot of Russian naval literature including the complete set of Gangut journal...I even subscribed it for one year! Since last time I did the whole set with my Novgorod AU, I had discovered quite a lot of new interesting stuff, specially for the imperial Russian era. So everything was set, I already started doing gunboats and river monitors but the 24.2.2022 happened and nothing was ever the same. My heart was broken and I couldn't continue anymore. Enough has been said on that and I wont venture that in here in details.

So I felt homeless and helpless and I couldn't decide what to do. Although it had been interesting to do the personal design concept with Far Eastern Republic, it was still merely doing Russian-style variants of existing foreign ship designs. My own designing skills are not good enough to produce workable original ship designs which would satisfy my critical mind. Thus my enthusiasm for the never-wheres. With the Small AU Nation, Evo, I try sort of cheating, as to decorate existing neverweres (and some "weres")into different quise, but I feel where it works on the small* setting, for the Main nation, I needed more solid and honest approach. So what I where to do? What nation would give similar level of variations and pool of never-wheres? My mindset had been so long in the Soviet/Russian way that not only did I need to come up with new base, I needed complete turn-around in my strategical and geopolitical way of seeing things. I've always liked the underdog and been interested of those who the majority would consider the enemy...that is why I ended up being interested on Russia in the first place. That thing is bit hard to explain by I could not just jump straight to doing USA or UK stuff (despite the USA one would be what I really should be doing regarding my taste of being big). So what nation would be at the same time as far away from Russia and its geopolitical apologist, but at the same time the underdog and sort of "enemy" to the major western public? What nation would still have enough big naval scene and pool of never-wheres that my type of nation building from those ingredients would work?

Well I only came up with one possiple solution...Allons enfant de la patrie, Le jour de gloire...

For the starters I would like to collectively punch the french naval internet community in the face...you don't make this too easy for me thats for sure :evil: :evil: . I mean we are talking about as western and as European nation that there is and one would assume that the reference material would be easy as hell to acquire, well at least easier than with the notorious enigmatic and byzantine totalitarian Russia and Soviet Union. Oh No...I've actually found more information on french never-wheres on Russian language books than I have from french language internet, not to mention english one! I've spend little over 1,000€ on french language books now since last February and I've hardly kept my nose over the water in the sense that this project would be futile and that there would be any point to go on. But luckily I have most of the bricks in the wall now from 1880 to the present day. There are still blanks but I try to fill them as I go along. As my desire of big carriers and true global superpower is somewhat hard to achive with french designs (but don't tell this to the french themselves) I have to come up with some rather unique aspects especially in the post 1945 era. But more on that as we go along.

All ships posted in the colors of Interkommunaali are based on real French never-wheres, preliminary projects and projected configurations. Some are from very well known and well detailed plans but some are mere mentionings in ála "There were to be 3 funneled follow on to this ship..". In fact over half of the designs there is no more than textual reference and the end product is my own interpretation on given data. And before anyone (looking at you Ewsube ;) ) gets to say anything, I will post all those ships which are drawn by existing picture references as real life french never wheres as well. If anyone is interessed, I can give description and background for each designs as requested.

If you want to help me in this project, I more than happy to recieve any information of any French never-where ship or shipborne systems of any era from 1880 onwards. I most likely have all the obvious ones so no need to send me stuff on Normandie, Lyon or any other ship famous from WoW to the new generation. But everything else is more than welcome.


*After managing to get around some sort of workable historical story and timeline, I realised that the Evo I allready posted here was whoelly too small for this particular era and to maintain its desirable size trough the entire timaspan of this AU. So i sort of have to redo it, by adding more ships and rewrite the templates. It will be my next project for this remaining year.

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