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Frankly, I kind of disagree with you here. Unfortunately, Google is not a magical wonderland that unfailingly points you to everything you're looking for.

And the pictures you posted strike me as visually distinct from the referenced blueprint; for instance, the aforementioned "forehead" seems way less pronounced on the photographies.

Well, the internet is rife with blueprints that seem to stem from model kits, artist's interpretations drawn for magazines or something among those lines. Others are often incorrectly labelled – if they're labelled at all, that is.

Especially in the case of rarer or more exotic vehicles finding the right references can be quite the detective's work.

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Of course. But are You trying to argue, that making no research whatsoever is going to yield better results than doing research with imperfect tools such as Google? Anyway, my point was that even most basic use of simplest, most generic search tool will (in this particular case: inevitably) lead to materials that make accuracy of drawing posted by Orionfield extremely questionable (as in: "even without blueprint, just based on photographs, one can easily say that real "forehead" and tail of Y-10 look clearly different from the drawing")
I mentioned that blueprint is very suspect, especially when it comes to cockpit. Yet, it can still be used critically (as in "critical thinking") as limited reference. IMHO it's still more valuable than (what seems to me) just painting different cockpit windows to 707.
Absolutely true. Unfortunately, my experiences with Orionfield's FD-scale work (starting with his first attempt some 18 months ago) strongly suggest to me that his particular detective skills may not even reach the basic level of using Google.

I have just now taken the liberty of comparing the 707 in the archive and the Y-10 drawing. I will not say anything about it's accuracy, as I have not checked that.....

HOWEVER
just painting different cockpit windows on the 707 is DEFINITELY not what happened. The engines seem the same, some of the wing matches, and the forwardmost part of the front window seems to match. The hull diameter, hull panel lines, nose shape, tail shape, window spacing, doors, most of the horizontal tail, all of the vertical tail, the wing roots..... all of it doesn't match the 707 in the archive.

eswube, I am really not fond of seeing accusations bordering on insults being made to people who do their best to create proper work...... May I recommend not doing that?

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Embraer ERJ 145 - VARIG + Rio Sul - (1997/2003-2006)

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For months I've been trying to assist and advise Orionfield in regards to improving his technique, style etc. (btw. when I posted my first work almost 9 years ago, I received feedback, help and suggestions from something like 8 other Shipbucketeers - nowadays it's a success when a newbie's work is received with more than a single comment... what the...? ). I've spent hours and hours of time pointing styllistical errors, suggesting improvements, linking pictures of elements in question. I was making drawings where errors on his works were marked with numbered arrows and had accompanied text explanations (I have like a dozen of them in my files, possibly more I already deleted), even with links to FAQ/Tutorial section on our main site where explanations of some terms could be find (like 'heavy corners', ugh...). And over and over it was the same.

I'd wrote "there are heavy corners (link) here, here and here and in some other places" - next day he'd "correct it" - meaning: two of the marked corrected, third not, and five other unmarked untouched. If an error is specifically pointed out - he could correct it (or could not). If it's only generally mentioned ("these problems are there") - no chance at all.
I'd wrote "this part looks different" and provide photo (first from google). He'd wrote "thanks for the photo" and draw something that looks completely different.
I'd wrote "these two straight lines must be spaced apart to avoid double black line", he'd respond with drawing some two zigzags that would be no longer straight, and would be still a partial double black.
I'd wrote "repaint that part in lighter shade, because it's facing the light". Respone - none.
And such things repeat over and over again. Once they are sorted on one drawing. They appear on next one. Practically every damned time, over and over again.
Another thing: sources. Both from discussions on open forum and in the pm's (especially related to YAL-1), I got very strong and deep impression that Orionfield would not bother to look for them himself. Like if it was my duty to look for his sources.

And speaking of YAL-1... my favourite thing. I wrote (literal quote):
"The logos behind cockpit are horrible - one color for... well, each color, please."
Orionfield's response:
"I cleaned up the (...) and the Logos."

And here are these "cleaned up" emblems:


Didn't bothered to check the left and middle one, but the rightmost is made of 51 (fifty one) shades in total - of 5, maybe 6 colors. Orionfield registered here 5 years ago. After that time he should already noticed that this seems bit excessive, don't You think?

I'll put it in other words. After 18 months, not only I don't see much genuine progress in his skills (and his own introduction as well as his personal website and other available information make any possibility of learning impairments not a plausible explanation), and what's worse I don't see any genuine good will and "duing his best" on Orionfields part. My personal perception of his attitude is "I'll effortlessly do 'something' and will wait just wait for some stupid schmuck to waste his time to check every detail of it, look for sources, so I wouldn't have to and basically do all work for me". I feel that my patience, my willingness to help and advise, my good will has been abused by him.

So... You're not fond of something? So be it. I'm NOT going to apologize.


Ukrainball
Nice work.

thx Eswube!

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I didn't look at all that. I don't care about the history. I just looked at one drawing, and you said he just modified a 707's window, I checked and the drawing is 95% all new.
Apart from that, you are insulting him as being someone who isn't capable of using basic level google. I know I have not always (and still are not) been the perfect example of doing this, but I really would prefer everyone here would communicate in a civil manner, without personal attacks. So I speak up when I see you make an quite offensive remark about someones intelligence and say something about someone else that simply isn't true, because you haven't properly checked that yourself.

With all due respect, but you state (if I summarize that correctly) that he annoys you because he does not properly listen to your comments on his artworks. Well, did he ask for your comments? Do you actually need to give him your comments? If you give your comments once and nothing changed, that is his choice. If he changes something but not everything, maybe he misunderstood, or thought this was enough. But in the end it is him who decides when a drawing is finished, not you. You disagree? Well, you are the one doing the uploads, then it doesn't get to be on the main site. You are literally the one person who has the most control over that. But please don't start throwing insults around when somebody doesn't listen to every word you say.

I don't mean this as an attack on you eswube, everyone makes mistakes and I surely hope that when I get annoyed and heated over something (I know that happends to me too every now and then) I sure hope someone else tells me 'hey, that was over the line, you best not do that or apologise or something' instead of an big fight breaking out.

I try to not take a stance in this discussion, but your reply to me completely ignored what I stated, except that I asked you to be a bit more nice.

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He did.